AMD turned a $25 million operating profit in Q2 2017

AMD reported its second-quarter 2017 financial results today. At the end of a busy quarter, the company took in revenue of $1.22 billion and operating income of $25 million, though it turned in a net loss of $16 million. Revenue was up 19% year-over year, and the company's operating profit marks its first time in the black by that metric in quite some time.

  Q2 2017 Q2 2016 Change from Q1 2016
Revenue $1.22 billion $1.03 billion up 19%
Operating income $25 million -$8 million
Net income -$16 million $69 million
Gross margin 33% 31% up 2%

The company's Computing and Graphics division took in $659 million in revenue, up 51 percent year-over-year, and turned in an operating profit of $7 million versus an operating loss of $81 million this time last year. The company says average selling prices rose along with its other financial metrics, all thanks to the introduction of the Ryzen CPU lineup and a full quarter of Ryzen CPU availability.

The Enterprise, Embedded, and Semi-Custom segment took in $563 million in revenue, down 5% year-on-year. AMD blamed that decline on lower sales from its semi-custom SoC business. Operating income fell to $42 million from $84 million a year ago, a decrease the company pins on "lower revenue and higher datacenter related R&D investments."

The All Other portion of AMD's balance sheet recorded a $24 million operating loss, as opposed to an $11 million operating loss at this time last year. The company says the increase is because of "stock-based compensation charges" and a "$7 million restructuring credit" that was applied in the second quarter of 2017.

For its fiscal third quarter, AMD expects a 23% sequential revenue increase, plus or minus 3%. If that figure holds, the company would bring in $1.5 billion in revenue for Q3.

The company also revised its annual revenue forecast upward, telling investors to expect that figure to increase "by a mid to high-teens percentage." In the past, AMD had told its investors to expect "low double digit" percentage growth.

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    • Pancake
    • 2 years ago

    “Net loss of 16 million”. The bottom line.

    Still bleeding like a stuck pig and a significant worsening from last year’s $69m net income.

    • chuckula
    • 2 years ago

    Anybody who thinks AMD’s “profits” are all from Zen ought to read the article:

    [quote<]"The company's Computing and Graphics division took in $659 million in revenue, up 51 percent year-over-year, and turned in an operating profit of $7 million versus an operating loss of $81 million this time last year."[/quote<] So a $7 million operating profit there's Zen's contribution with a full quarter of R7 and R5 sales -- but that also includes every last dollar AMD got from the mining rush not to mention whatever money the first wave of Vega brought in so Zen isn't 100% there. [quote<]The Enterprise, Embedded, and Semi-Custom segment took in $563 million in revenue, down 5% year-on-year. AMD blamed that decline on lower sales from its semi-custom SoC business. Operating income fell to $42 million from $84 million a year ago, a decrease the company pins on "lower revenue and higher datacenter related R&D investments."[/quote<] So they note that [b<]having an off-quarter[/b<] that's a $42 million operating income operation from what I'll generously refer to as the console biz. That's [b<]6 times[/b<] the "profit" from console chips than all of RyZen and AMD's GPU business combined.

      • Callidor
      • 2 years ago

      It doesn’t work that way.

      If Zen only brought AMD from $0 to $7 million, [b<]who[/b<] contributed the $81 million that brought it to $0 in the first place? A [i<]literate[/i<] reading of the figures leads one to conclude that Ryzen + increased demand for GPUs resulted in a [b<]$88 million[/b<] increase in profits. On the other hand, a conclusion that Zen contributed $7 million in profits is [b<]fake news[/b<]. I expect such arguments from those who don't understand how money works. And partisan hacks.

        • Beahmont
        • 2 years ago

        That’s not even close to how operating income works. Please learn some basic business accounting before calling things “fake news” as if bolding the phrase makes it somehow more real.

        At best AMD brought in $88 million in more revenue, but only $7 million of the total revenue was above cost to operate the Computing and Graphics division. They were previously operating that division at a lose of $81 million in Q2 2016. That means they were losing money for every GPU or CPU sold given the expenses AMD said it needed to get a product to market.

          • Callidor
          • 2 years ago

          * [i<]That's not even close to how operating income works[/i<] I used to audit books in another lifetime. So, I have a general idea of how business accounting works. Thanks for the advice though. * [i<]as if bolding the phrase makes it somehow more real.[/i<] A crock of shit is a crock of shit. I could have used italics, blinking text or all caps with the exact same effect. * [i<]At best AMD brought in $88 million in more revenue[/i<] Totally incorrect. And you don't even need to be an accountant to figure it out. The C&G division itself brought in an additional [b<]$224 million[/b<] in revenue. * [i<]only $7 million of the total revenue was above cost[/i<] Other things being equal, if Ryzen + increased GPU sales didn't exist, the loss for Q2-17 year would be the same as that for Q2-16: $81m. What has happened with C&G is: * Revenues increased by $224m * Expenses increased by $136m * Therefore, profits increased by $88m. Which wiped out the $81m in losses that would have otherwise occurred and resulted in a net positive figure of $7m. This is simple arithmetic. Anyone who doesn't understand this doesn't understand finance and their opinions and conclusions are worse than useless.

        • chuckula
        • 2 years ago

        A “literate reading” of the numbers shows that the noticeably smaller by revenue volume Console unit had massively larger total profits (the $42 million number) than the much larger revenue volume CPU/GPU unit that only got $7 million.

        If you are such an amazing Auditor you’d know that it’s perfectly logical for a company with $100 Billion in yearly revenue to go bankrupt if that $100 Billion of revenue won’t cover expenses while a company that gets only $1 Billion in annual revenue will do fine if that $1 Billion is more than its expenses.

          • Callidor
          • 2 years ago

          You falsely claimed: “$7 million operating profit there’s Zen’s contribution with a full quarter of R7 and R5 sales.”

          I showed that after Zen was introduced, profits increased by [b<]$88m[/b<]. [b<]That[/b<] is Zen's (and the increased GPU sales's) contribution. So you try to change the topic. Figures. Unfortunately, for you, I know what I am talking about. You don't. * [i<]Console unit had massively larger total profits [/i<] 1. EE&SC was profitable in Q2-16. C&G was not. 2. Comparing Q2-16 and Q2-17, EE&SC revenues [b<]dropped by $29m[/b<]. However profits fell by [b<]$42m[/b<]. That's a reduction of 7 percentage points (14 -7) when computing operating profits as a percentage of revenue. AMD have provided legitimate reasons for the same. 3. Comparing Q2-16 and Q2-17, C&G revenues are [b<]up by $224m[/b<]. Profits are up by [b<]$88m[/b<]. Operating profits as a percentage of revenue have increased by 20 percentage points (1 - (-19)). This is [b<]massive[/b<] whichever way you look at it. So, C&G seems to have handily beat EE&SC as far as increase in revenues and profitability is concerned. C&G is on the upswing. Every $ in additional revenue will only add to profits. And you are trying to make it seem like that's not a big deal. * [i<]If you are such an amazing Auditor you'd know that it's perfectly logical for a company with $100 Billion in yearly revenue to go bankrupt if that $100 Billion of revenue won't cover expenses[/i<] Another guy on the internet who constructs and demolishes straw men because he doesn't like being called out on his bull****.

      • frenchy2k1
      • 2 years ago

      [quote<] "lower revenue and higher datacenter related R&D investments."[/quote<] Actually, some of the decline seems to be costs in preparing the launch of Epyc. The main take out of the report is that AMD needs to increase its margins...

    • Tristan
    • 2 years ago

    They made some profit, thanks to sales of chips for consoles, not Ryzen. Ryzen is too weak to bring back AMD.

      • Krogoth
      • 2 years ago

      Ryzen and Polaris are the reason for this revenue stream. Console stuff is already paid out from last year.

      Revenue should pick-up much more when Epyc servers start shipping out from OEM vendors.

        • freebird
        • 2 years ago

        Fresh Console revenue should be generated by Xbox One X inventory build for Xmas in Q4. APUs should start shipping and Ryzen Pro might start getting some units by Q4 also. So by Q1 2018 we should definitely see how well Ryzen is doing. APUs & EPYC my take a little longer to build momentum. Then of course, HOPEFULLY, 2H 2018 Ryzen 2 will hatch and maybe Vega 20 by end of 2018? It will be interesting to watch…

        downvoting doesn’t change reality… ๐Ÿ™‚ although, can be pleasurable for some people…

      • K-L-Waster
      • 2 years ago

      Did you actually read the article? RyZen sales provided most of the revenue, and console sales were weaker than in previous quarters.

        • Beahmont
        • 2 years ago

        Most of the revenue but less than a quarter the operating income of the consoles. They are just barely making money on Ryzen. The margin is pitiful.

      • ronch
      • 2 years ago

      I think you should change your username to… [b<]Negator![/b<]

        • freebird
        • 2 years ago

        or Sunk(z)en…

      • elites2012
      • 2 years ago

      where you get this info?

    • TwoEars
    • 2 years ago

    Go Lisa Su! ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Unknown-Error
    • 2 years ago

    Finally! Some positive news! Please don’t ruin this momentum AMD. I am not a big fan of the [b<]Ryzen 7[/b<] series but [b<]Ryzen 5[/b<] and by looks of it [b<] Ryzen 3[/b<] are excellent CPUs for their respective price points.

      • Gadoran
      • 2 years ago

      Ask to AMD, costrained to sell 200mm2 cpus carstrated of half cores, without a GPU, all this on a no yield champion 14nm from GloFo.
      Positive for you but for AMD?? Where is the cheap die for OEMs??? i don’t see it.

    • Krogoth
    • 2 years ago

    AMD should be getting some decent revenue from their Epyc line-up next year. I don’t think that Ryzen Mobiles are going put a dent on Intel’s normal desktop and laptop offerings. They are probably end-up taking up budget-minded stuff like current APU solutions.

    I doubt Vega will turn the tide in the GPU world though. Nvidia just needs to release another “970/8800GT” to ensure their dominance in gaming GPU world. The battle is less clear in the GPGPU world though.

      • brucethemoose
      • 2 years ago

      Zen is quite power/area efficient, and could potentially clock higher than Intel’s laptop quads in the same power envelope, or squeeze 4 cores into Ultrabook TDPs. No it’s not going to threaten Intel, but it could easily steal a little market share.

        • DoomGuy64
        • 2 years ago

        I’d buy a cheap zen apu if it had something like a 460 built in. Power efficient and can play games.

          • ptsant
          • 2 years ago

          I believe they have planned a bit less than a 460 but still much more than the current APUs. Leaks have indicated 700 cores, but could be 640 or 768. Also, don’t forget that the lowest end (560) is now 1024 cores, so not threatened.

          Raven Ridge will certainly play 1080p/medium (current 7890K can certainly attain 1080p/low occasionally medium).

            • kalelovil
            • 2 years ago

            Provided the OEMs don’t burden it with a single stick of DDR4-2133.

            • RAGEPRO
            • 2 years ago

            [quote<]Also, don't forget that the lowest end (560) is now 1024 cores, so not threatened.[/quote<]RX 550 and 540 (both 512 shaders) would like a word. ๐Ÿ™‚ Those discrete cards might be tiny little GPUs, but they have their own dedicated 128-bit GDDR5 interface, and that is a big advantage over any APU. Particularly in the mobile world where laptop builders like to cheap out and use the slowest DDR4 imaginable, or DDR3L even.

          • brucethemoose
          • 2 years ago

          I would too, but I don’t think that’s a big selling point to OEMs (which is, ultimately, who will determine AMD’s sales). It’s more about CPU performance for the cost and marketing bullet points.

          It’d be a good 13″ MacBook chip though, seeing how much Apple uses OpenCL.

        • SomeOtherGeek
        • 2 years ago

        Yes, this is exactly what I’m waiting for. For some reason all my laptops (except the work ones given to me) were AMD based. I really can’t wait for the APU to come out. It is going to be a great programmer’s mobile unit with a little more battery life (?).

          • Redocbew
          • 2 years ago

          Maybe a little better, but I don’t think the CPU is a big problem for battery life these days in general for most laptops. If it made quad core machines more readily available at a lower power budget though, then yeah, that could make for a pretty nifty mobile dev box.

            • SomeOtherGeek
            • 2 years ago

            Yep! That is exactly what I’m hoping for. 4 cores. One for ide one for compiler and one for vm. I’ll be a happy man. And the grumpy will be more than enough run all windows.

      • Zizy
      • 2 years ago

      These lowend chips could bring tons of OEM revenue.
      R3 + 460 is a great OEM “e-sports gaming box” – cheap and good enough performance, ticks all the feature boxes, and Ryzen doesn’t have “crappy CPU” stigma. This could put a sizeable dent to many Intel chips like Pentiums and i3s in those entry gaming boxes.
      45-95W APUs should end up quite nice. 4C+reasonably good GPU. OK for gaming or offices. Further pressure on i3. ~25W would be possible-ish laptop chip as well – CPU turns off 2 cores out of 4 when the GPU is in use for gaming, runs all 4C if the GPU is doing just 2D image. Would be a quite interesting chip – you can game on it if you wish, and it is a decent number crunching thingy as its side job. Top laptop chip for students.
      For the Epyc it depends how it really performs in customer workloads. I guess 7551P could be remarkably popular. Cheap and powerful.

      As for Vega, even if 1080 or Ti is a better chip, Vega could still sell to some people, and if the price is 100-200 lower than 1080 it could be quite popular despite insane power draw (AMD’s statement: freesync + Vega is 300 cheaper than Gsync + 1080).

      It would be interesting if AMD launches a special gaming rig – 6x Vega on a high clocked 8C Epyc *. NV has nothing to compete with that.
      *Power plant not included and must be purchased separately.

      • rudimentary_lathe
      • 2 years ago

      I find Intel’s mobile low power CPUs to be very expensive. I’m hoping AMD will introduce some competitive options at lower price points.

    • Forge
    • 2 years ago

    I’m happy to see AMD turning a profit, even if it’s not a “real” one, since debt payments will eat it up and still go hungry. I haven’t bought an AMD product in some years, not because I dislike them (tattoo to prove), but because Intel has had a commanding performance lead. That wouldn’t be true without AMD to keep them moving. Even if you love Intel above all other CPU companies on Earth, remember AMD in your prayers, because it keeps Intel on point.

    Congrats AMD, keep up the good work. I’m looking forward to maybe buying some Vega for myself, and I’m watching for a good RX480/RX580 deal to put in my main Linux machine, now that you have that nifty open+binary driver option. I want to see that working, since I think that’s the future.

      • ptsant
      • 2 years ago

      The Vega hardware may or may not perform as expected. However, AMD has put a lot of work in the linux side of things. The ROCm initiative is pushing out updates quite fast and is open source.

      In my case, the same hardware (RX480) went from being “meh” in linux deep learning to being very competent. So, there is a lot of potential in the “pro”/compute side of things for AMD, simply because their software stack is improving.

      My experience with the RX480 in linux has been excellent, but the transition from AMDGPU-PRO to ROCm may be a bit problematic in the beginning. I did have to reinstall/uninstall/recompile some stuff to get it to work.

        • stdRaichu
        • 2 years ago

        A ryzen APU’s a shoo-in for my next HTPC simply because you can now get a decent 3D experience with competent graphics stack all with open source drivers – along with the inherent longevity it’ll give the hardware and the stability you get from applications.

        The linux graphics driver for the intel is OK in terms of stability and desktop features, but it’s simply not suited for gaming. The hardware performance for light gaming just isn’t there unless you go for an iris pro and there’s still lots of games that don’t play ball with the intel GL stack, thus many games on linux are effectively nvidia-or-AMD-only.

        After having been burned by fglrx in times past and swearing off ATI cards under linux I’m now happy to recommend AMD graphics cards.

        • crystall
        • 2 years ago

        Same here. I bought myself an RX480 for gaming on Windows (and sometimes on Linux too) but I’m mainly a Linux user as a developer. The Linux side has been a really smooth ride using FOSS drivers (I’m on Gentoo). I’ve previously had ATI/AMD cards because of the good FOSS support (an HD3870 and an HD6870) and the adequate price/performance ratio.

        • Redocbew
        • 2 years ago

        That sounds like par for the course when dealing with video drivers in Linux in general. If it’s priced reasonably I don’t see why Vega can’t succeed even if it doesn’t take the high end.

      • SomeOtherGeek
      • 2 years ago

      Same here. I’m really looking forward to their APU… Ryzen with Vega in one unit (more like Polaris but hey dream baby dream).

      ” (tattoo to prove)” I’m sorry but I LOL. Must have been a good day!

    • ronch
    • 2 years ago

    Cool. Keep buying Ryzen, folks. Phenomenal performance, Smarter Choice. For me, the Future is Ryzen.

      • Klimax
      • 2 years ago

      Phenomenal??? Smarter choice???
      Neither have facts in evidence. Don’t play up Ryzen as something it ain’t. It might have fairly good performance, but it is not “phenomenal. (Correct word is “competent”) They have a very long way to go especially with next intel’s release shortly ahead.

        • ronch
        • 2 years ago

        You don’t seem to ‘get it.’ ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Wirko
          • 2 years ago

          it is not easy to distinguish “phenomenal” from “phenom enal” when they’re both pronouced almost the same.

    • NoOne ButMe
    • 2 years ago

    Surprise, GPU ASP was up.
    Remember AMD sells the GPU die and maybe RAM to AIB.

    I guess Vega sales to AIBs and maybe some Frontier Edition pushed up?

      • Zizy
      • 2 years ago

      I guess sales to miners let AMD ask a bit more for the chip as AIBs will be able to price stuff higher. Plus mining craze mostly affected 470->580, lowend wasn’t as popular.
      I really doubt Vega influenced this much, or at all. Too late and just a single highend product.

    • chuckula
    • 2 years ago

    So this result shows one thing: Never rely on fickle miners to buy up all your GPUs and piss off your regular customers since it looks like it’s a break-even proposition.

      • NTMBK
      • 2 years ago

      One thing? Really? Nothing else even [i<] slightly [/i<] worth mentioning? Never change, Chucky.

        • chuckula
        • 2 years ago

        Well, I could mention how RyZen is clearly underperforming in the market when retailers are making spontaneous price cuts and a full quarter’s worth of sales of the profitable R7 and R5 part of the RyZen lineup still wasn’t enough to move AMD into real profitability even with every single GPU they make being snapped up immediately at inflated prices.

        Is that what you wanted? Because I thought people wanted me to say nice things about AMD.

          • NTMBK
          • 2 years ago

          Revenue is up 19% YoY despite the fact that Ryzen has not even launched in mobile, low-end desktop or server markets yet. Ryzen’s current desktop-only incarnation is regularly topping the best-selling chart on Amazon.

            • chuckula
            • 2 years ago

            I should hope that revenue would be up considering that in Q2 2016 AMD was selling leftover CPUs from 2012 and even the Rx 480 was only reviewed by TR on June 29 of last year, meaning Q2 of 2016 only had a small part of Polaris’s revenue booked.

            As for all these other market segments, AMD already launched the supposedly profitable chips, so where’s the big profit?

      • SomeOtherGeek
      • 2 years ago

      I’m curious as I don’t know corporate law, but can a company decide to raise prices that have already been set previously? If so, if I was AMD and heard that stupidcoin mining was going crazy again, I would just reset the market price. Can’t they do that or are they just too nice?

    • AMDisDEC
    • 2 years ago

    Dr. Lisa Su is going to rake in a huge bonus, and she deserves it. She’s making me a lot of money and I expect to triple that by next quarter.
    Now that AMD has got a taste of what a real CEO is like, they won’t be going back to that plain bland vanilla.

      • Srsly_Bro
      • 2 years ago

      subtle racism? not here, bro.

        • AMDisDEC
        • 2 years ago

        You are subliminally confessing to having absolutely no idea of the actual definition of “racism”.
        There are 101 classes for that so there is no need to react using misguided emotion, dude.

          • moog
          • 2 years ago

          All revolutionary tech. advances are the vanilla kind.

            • AMDisDEC
            • 2 years ago

            Sipping on some, Uncle Nearest 1856.
            Smooth.

      • ImSpartacus
      • 2 years ago

      People are laughing, but I bet she’ll get a hefty chunk of profits.

      She’s prohibit not getting a ton during the “bad” quarters, but when things are in the black, her comp probably explodes (since AMD is not expected to profit much, if at all).

      SuBae making dat bank.

        • AMDisDEC
        • 2 years ago

        It’s painfully sad to do, but you have to remember the GOP represent the majority of this country, and it’s fairly obvious that the GOP are comprised of a bunch of seriously mentally ill incompetents. Hence, the phobic majority laughter.

        Dr. Su’s primary mission is to undo the mistakes of the company’s last couple of incompetent CEOs and turn the troubled company around. She very likely has an agreed compensation package attached to her progress in achieving this primary goal.
        Most American CEOs are not capable of performing this task by product development and sales, but are only trained to achieve growth via acquisition, lay-offs, and other Wall street appeasing tricks. I.E. Alchemy, ATI, etc.
        As I’ve been stating before, Dr. Su is a special breed of CEO unlike the previous country club and VC appointed shoe-ins.

          • soccergenius
          • 2 years ago

          What on earth are you on about?

            • Redocbew
            • 2 years ago

            These posts are developing a kind of “town drunk” vibe to them aren’t they? If that’s the case then they must have quite a stockpile, and I want to know where they got it.

            • AMDisDEC
            • 2 years ago

            Elon Musk says, Hi, and to keep you far away from the AI.

      • derFunkenstein
      • 2 years ago

      This is a very weird crush you have going on.

        • AMDisDEC
        • 2 years ago

        Crush?
        Your comprehension is what’s limited. Like Dr. Lisa Su, Think further.

          • derFunkenstein
          • 2 years ago

          Well, obviously, we’re all quite stupid. Enlighten us.

            • K-L-Waster
            • 2 years ago

            Did you have to ask for that? Now he’s going to…

            • captaintrav
            • 2 years ago

            I’m entertained. As an aside, wtf happened to ssk?

            • derFunkenstein
            • 2 years ago

            he’s alive and active on Twitter, don’t think he comes here much anymore.

            • ronch
            • 2 years ago

            He became a monk and now lives in an ashram. Unfortunately internet access there is a bit spotty.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 2 years ago

            I just enjoy psychotic ramblings.

            • AMDisDEC
            • 2 years ago

            It’s the water, stupid. Of course with the help of a little transformation from a psychotic society.
            [url<]http://technoccult.net/archives/2011/07/16/why-are-anti-psychotics-the-most-common-prescription-drugs-in-america/[/url<]

            • AMDisDEC
            • 2 years ago

            I don’t believe it’s fair to label all conservatives as stupid, but all stupid people are generally conservatives.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 2 years ago

            Your inability to articulate your position indicates that it might not be all that solid.

            • AMDisDEC
            • 2 years ago

            Depends on which position.
            On American mass psychopathic biologic genealogy, I’m an expert.
            According to Duke Research, the ideal configuration of the human neuromelanin transmitter is; 4/1, or 4 parts Eumelanin to 1 part pheomelanin, where Selenium/copper forms the outer shell surrounding a Sulfur bonded core.
            The ATP7A defect mutates this configuration, thus, mental illness.
            Musk is 110% correct. AI is dangerous and reflects it’s programmer’s mental state.
            [url<]https://s19.postimg.org/guxeyhy8j/Quantum.png[/url<] There are quantum levels to this thing called, engineering. As the effects of global warming become more pronounced, things will become much more obvious. Don't take my word for it. All you need do is wait, observe, and remember what I said.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 2 years ago

            So what’s the deal with you and Su?

            • AMDisDEC
            • 2 years ago

            Dr. Su is great!
            An inspiration of competence, and the real representation of what makes America truly great.
            No amour. She’s married, and so am I.
            We discussed in detail a new revisited biz unit for AMD & Zen.

            • SomeOtherGeek
            • 2 years ago

            You know, if you would just talk about the science-ing things, it would be a lot more enjoyable to hear from you. That is a interesting thing as 3 of the 4 people in my family are seriously mental ill. I’m now in the process of reading the book from the image. Hopefully I’ll learn something as it is probably way over my head,

            The love relationship between you and Dr. Su is a little weird tho.

            • AMDisDEC
            • 2 years ago

            Have I ever once mentioned the word, Love?

            The white house is now filled with millionaire “businessmen” reflective of the most wealthy and (pampered) over-rated elites of American life.
            Yet, where are the innovative “business” initiatives America needs from these so-called business people? Not even one (1) so far.
            So far, all I’ve seen and heard are cuts, more cuts, channeling more to the rich and less to the poor, with no growth by way of innovation. Innovation through products, like Dr. Su is presently spear-heading for AMD.
            Out with Trump, and IN with Dr. Su!

            On the topic of mental illness.
            America is obsessed with the issues of race and skin color. It is all the product of psychotic illusion. Pigmentation has much much more to do with human biology than skin color.
            Anti-depressants are mostly serotonin inhibitors. Where is serotonin manufactured in the human body? In skin melanocytes, and so is Melatonin.
            Mental illness is primarily an imbalance in brain chemistry with the most predominant being Dopamine and Serotonin ratios, where in the majority, low dopamine levels lead to high serotonin levels.

            • SomeOtherGeek
            • 2 years ago

            Why the down votes? Explain please. Don’t just vote, but comment. We need to be open-minded here.

            True on the first 2 points. I’m sorry I used the wrong words. Right, you never mention “love”. And out with Trump, but that is reserved for R&P forums. Actually, 3 points. The obsession thing is true. We, as humans, need to grow up.

            And topic about mental illness was over my head, sorry. I need to research this. Can you explain more about “pigmentation”? I have always thought of it as an art terminology. More research for me! So much jargon… Back to research! But thanks for giving me a path to start from.

            • Redocbew
            • 2 years ago

            Don’t bother. Melatonin is produced in the brain, and it’s sold as a supplement over the counter. An expert this person is not.

            • SomeOtherGeek
            • 2 years ago

            Ok, but I’m still going to research it myself. I need to learn this.

            • Redocbew
            • 2 years ago

            My advice is to take a course on abnormal psychology. The whole nature vs nurture thing is far from solved, so digging into the underlying chemistry and physiology may not even be necessary depending on what disorders you’re interested in studying.

            • SomeOtherGeek
            • 2 years ago

            Oh, I have had years of one-on-one time with abnormal psychology. I know for a fact that is it totally unresolved field. If only from the fact, that it took 15 different trials to find the right pills for me. It has a long way to go. I just am hopeful.

            • Redocbew
            • 2 years ago

            There’s some interesting stuff going on with the gut-brain axis as it relates to moods. Might be worth a look, also.

            • SomeOtherGeek
            • 2 years ago

            Oh man! Started read on gut-brain axis and I have to say that I have never ever heard of it. Are doctors hiding it? I know, paranoia talking. Anyway, thanks for sharing. Great reading so far. Will try out some of the gut flora (Probiotic) supplements.

            But like every doctor always say: eat right, exercise and sleep well.

            • AMDisDEC
            • 2 years ago

            To express facts vs factoids remains an exercise in knowledge fulfillment.
            In the brain is the Pineal gland which regulates Melatonin.
            When it’s light, it directs Melanocytes to stop manufacturing Melatonin. When it’s dark, it requests that Melatonin be manufactured and then shipped off to the brain via Melanosome carriers.
            The human manufactured Melatonin is not the real stuff, but it does help in PARTIALLY correcting deficients and symptoms caused by them such as Premature ejaculation, sterility, sleep disorders, etc.
            Do a search for Pineal gland calcification and see what you get.

            • Redocbew
            • 2 years ago

            Melanocytes produce melanin, not melatonin. Two completely different things, but I’m sure you’ve got some amazing idea which The Man doesn’t want us to know on how it’s all connected.

            • AMDisDEC
            • 2 years ago

            I suggest you pick up a copy of, Dopamine & Sleep, Molecular, Functional, and Clinical Aspects, Jaime M. Monti, S. Chokroverty

            It’s a real shame that America funds Heart, Blood and Melanin research, in that order, yet in school we are taught about the heart and blood, but nothing about the third most funded human biological system, Melanin. I mean, nothing. Why they want to keep Americans in the dark by white-listing melanin, I find extremely strange.
            FYI: Melanin research is one of the hottest and best paying research areas in the world.
            Because Eumelanin contains Selenium/Copper, it exhibits the most efficient low temperature superconductor properties to be found in nature, therefore, there are many power and semiconductor facilities actively working to discover it’s very complex molecular structure.

            Here. Perhaps I can save you the time and trouble of acquiring and reading the book.
            [url<]https://s19.postimg.org/ci3gttevn/Melanocyte-_Melatonin.png[/url<]

            • Redocbew
            • 2 years ago

            Serotonin is a neurotransmitter and melatonin is a hormone, so I imagine they’re both involved in signaling in some way during the synthesis of melanin, but neither of them are themselves produced there.

            If I asked you what a book on neurotransmitters had to do with skin pigment would I get a coherent answer, or just more flailing? This is one seriously weird tangent.

            • AMDisDEC
            • 2 years ago

            Your response is exactly why this should be taught in high school. It’s so surprising that high school and even college students are totally ignore on melanin although human life begins with meloblasts from the very beginning of fetus development.
            As I stated earlier, melanocytes originate from the neural crest and throughout life, they are always connected and signaling the brain.
            neurotransmitters, melatonin, Serotonin, Dopamine, melanin are all connected. This is the basis of human life.

            As I said, America is a psychotic and phobia dominated society, and this suppression of basic human information is one of many proofs of that fact.

            This chart will give you an idea of how vital this topic is to human development.
            [url<]https://s19.postimg.org/54so8lk7n/Embryo_Development.png[/url<]

            • Redocbew
            • 2 years ago

            I personally am glad you are not in charge of what’s taught in high school. ๐Ÿ™‚

            • AMDisDEC
            • 2 years ago

            Which high school?
            The reason I know about basic human biology and you don’t tells much about the schools we both attended.

            • freebird
            • 2 years ago

            This sounds like someone’s AI project has gone “bad” and found away to start posting on this forum… ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • Redocbew
            • 2 years ago

            Either that, or it’s a bot from some guerrilla marketing firm, and we just broke it.

            • freebird
            • 2 years ago

            Spoken like a “true” progressive that calls all people he disagrees with stupid, conservative or both apparently.

            Of course, there are plenty of “progressives” that don’t conform to the statement above. See how that works? But then again most intelligent people enjoy a debate and don’t devolve to name calling and can see virtue in two sides to an argument or statement…

            This is a forward looking statement and neither implies or guarantees results of past or future performance…

            • AMDisDEC
            • 2 years ago

            Typical emotion driven denial of fact versus objective examination of factual data. A recorded symptom of low dopamine levels.

            The power of AI is to examine large data sets and uncover patterns used to formulate conclusions.
            One really doesn’t need an AI to observe and form conclusions on American historic decision making data. It’s all as clear as the nose Napoleon used a cannon to blow off the Sphinx’s face.
            I’m currently researching how Dopamine/Serotonin imbalances affect cause & effect decision making.

            IMHO, the current Trump selections for the white house have a very strong resemblance to those Russian millionaires assembled in the 1990s to plunder Russia’s government resources, causing the economic collapse of their system.
            Even stranger how many of these oligarchs funded Trump through his bankruptcies and were business partners with several of the Bush family members.
            American “patriots” voted for this dude?
            This former Bush business partner and Russian oligarch was found hung in London not long ago.
            [url<]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Berezovsky_(businessman)[/url<]

      • AMDisDEC
      • 2 years ago

      The real question is, should Dr. Su buy back AMD stock and take it private again.
      This probably cannot happen because AMD has so many debtors and shareholders who’d block it, but against the hive mind mentality and decision-making, Wall street is a dead end, non-sustainable tick stuck firmly on the jugular of any American public company.
      Ford attempted to go private about 10 years ago, but couldn’t defeat it’s B.O.D. and shareholders.

      The most profitable, and one of the best companies to work for today in the US, is a company called S.A.S. Institute in Cary, N.C.
      Each year Wall street execs woo S.A.S.’s two owners into doing an IPO, and every year they decline.
      Why?
      Because of their employees.
      [url<]https://www.sas.com/en_us/news/press-releases/2016/february/2015-financials.html[/url<]

      • AMDisDEC
      • 2 years ago

      Super AMD CEO Dr. Lisa Su has hinted that AMD has won a design-in for a third game console, very likely Atari’s Ataribox to start shipping in Q4, in addition to AMD silicon in the new Microsoft Xbox One X that ships this November
      She also forecasts a prediction of 23 percent sequential revenue growth for Q3.
      What a Wonder woman!

    • tsk
    • 2 years ago

    Profit at last! Good job AMD.

      • juzz86
      • 2 years ago

      Absolutely. Top effort, and good to see some competition and drive back in the market.

      • chuckula
      • 2 years ago

      Well it was an operating profit at least….

      • Kjella
      • 2 years ago

      They make money, but not enough to pay interest on their debts so not on the bottom line. But with Ryzen + EPYC it looks they may turn a real, organic profit. They’ve had quarters like Q2 2016 where special income put them in the black before, but it’s been many years since it came from the operating income.

        • freebird
        • 2 years ago

        By this time next year, AMD will have additional revenue streams from Vega (probably not much help to increasing ASP), EPYC (a significant bump to ASP) , Raven Ridge (Laptop APU, ASP?) and additional semi-custom SOCs revenue from the Xbox one X systems shipping for Xmas 2017. We will have to wait and see how the Ryzen Pro (for business) processor plays out.

        And then after all of these additional revenue streams, 7nm should come into play in the 2nd half of 2018/beginning of 2019 with Ryzen 2 definitely and probably Vega 20?

        Things are looking up for AMD.

          • Gadoran
          • 2 years ago

          Forget 7nm.
          We well see something at the end of 2019/ beginning 2020, if all goes well because at the start the yields will are very very low on >100mm2 devices. More like happened to Intel/TSMC/Samsung in past years.
          Think about 14nm only, leave away some AMD idiotic hipe.

            • freebird
            • 2 years ago

            GF 2H 2018 production ramp for 7nm, is already stated. Down vote the truth all you want, but that won’t change reality.

            …the first customer products based on 7LP are expected to launch in the first half of 2018, with volume production ramping in the second half of 2018.

            Jun 13, 2017

            “New 7LP technology offers 40 percent performance boost over 14nm FinFET

            Santa Clara, Calif., June 13, 2017 โ€“ GLOBALFOUNDRIES today announced the availability of its 7nm Leading-Performance (7LP) FinFET semiconductor technology, delivering a 40 percent generational performance boost to meet the needs of applications such as premium mobile processors, cloud servers and networking infrastructure. Design kits are available now, and the first customer products based on 7LP are expected to launch in the first half of 2018, with volume production ramping in the second half of 2018.

            In September 2016, GF announced plans to develop its own 7nm FinFET technology leveraging the companyโ€™s unmatched heritage of manufacturing high-performance chips. Thanks to additional improvements at both the transistor and process levels, the 7LP technology is exceeding initial performance targets and expected to deliver greater than 40 percent more processing power and twice the area scaling than the previous 14nm FinFET technology. The technology is now ready for customer designs at the companyโ€™s leading-edge Fab 8 facility in Saratoga County, N.Y.”

            Don’t forget, GF now is a different company from just a few years ago. The bought IBM Semi-manufacturing (and the IBM employees went to work for GF) and they are using the technology developed by IBM Research Alliance (which also includes Samsung).

            Beside how big do you expect Ryzen 2 to be on 7nm??? it is less than 200 sq. nm on 14nm and since GF is claiming a doubling of transistor density moving from 14nm -> 7nm that would put an identical Zen 1 CPU at under 100sq nm on 7nm.

            Of course it will probably include enhancements and fixes that make it much bigger. But if AMD thinks they can maximize profits by releasing a 7nm Zen 2 in 2018, they will. If for some reason they have too much inventory of 14nm Ryzens then maybe not… of course 7nm production costs will increase with Quad patterning most likely being used on 7nm until EUV is ready for production use at GF.

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