Get your shades ready for August 21. The same day that the moon will be covering the sun over large sections of the United States, Intel will be unveiling its eighth-generation Core CPUs, codenamed Coffee Lake. Intel will be streaming the announcement on Facebook Live starting at 11:00 AM Eastern (8:00 AM PDT).
The company didn't provide much in the way of details, so we'll have to wait and see whether the follow-up to Kaby Lake will follow the familiar release pattern of mobile chips coming first, followed by mainstream desktop chips a few months later, and ending with high-end desktop and server parts. The rumor mill has been churning with speculation that core and thread counts will increase in both laptop and desktop chips. Compatibility between eighth-generation Core models and existing 100- and 200-series motherboards has also been a hot topic.
Intel has touted performance improvements as high as 30% when comparing equivalent Core i7 processors with equivalent CPUs with 15 W TDPs from its seventh- and eighth-generation Core lineups. The footnotes for that comparison do note that the Kaby Lake Core i7-7500U has two cores and four threads, while the unnamed eighth-generation Core i7 has the a four-core, eight-thread arrangement. Based on Intel's admission that its Coffee Lake chips are a fourth product series built on its 14-nm fabrication technology, that performance increase seems unlikely to spring from a similarly-aggressive ramp-up in clock speed. We'll have to wait for August 21 to know for sure.
I7 is the new i5 with i9 being the new i7s. I really hate AMD and Nvidia for coming up with this re-badging of tech just to try to increase sales by giving us less. I’m almost wiling to bet that dual core chips will reach 5ghz at stock before quad cores do.
I’m pretty down for quad cores in 15-28 watt 13″ ultraportables. I’ve clung to 15 inch laptops all this time, that may talk me down.
AMD forced Intel to turn their Core i7 line into Core i3s…..
EPYC!!!!!
Lol, Intel adds 50% more cores and only gets 30% max perf boost?
Good, then literally anything less than a doubling in performance for The Threadripper over an 1800X in any benchmark at all shows it is a failure.
Thanks for playing the shill game.
Performance doesn’t scale perfectly. It greatly depends on the workload.
That’s 30% perf gain in the same TDP, in the end. Single threaded gains aren’t going to magically happen to that scale anymore, so we should be glad for more cores coming down to each TDP tier.
Intel dies have been shrinking for years, timing not coincidental…But anywho.
Meh to the marketing rubbish, it’s just marketing. That goes for the Gen stuff, a mess or not, I don’t really care.
As for the Coffee Lake chips themselves, if the leaks are true then this will be a real positive move, Quad core i3s, and 6 core i5 and i7s.
Maybe with whatever comes afterwards we may even see 8 core i7s with iGP (that’s my hope) but still a positive. And if this mainly comes from the renewed competition, then all hail competition.
The Cannon Lake PCH is also something to look forward to imho.
I can’t wait to say meh.
TOO LATE! KROGOTH DID IT ALREADY!
What counts as a “generation”?
Whatever Intel says. Heh.
So what’s the new truth regarding the previous seven generations?
Are we now saying something like:
Core
Nehalem
Sandy Bridge
Haswell
Broadwell
Sky Lake
Kabylake
Coffee Lake
In which case, half of all generations have been on the same node? That seems kind of embarrassing for Gordon Moore’s company.
You forgot Ivy Bridge. I think Nehalem was gen 1, as that’s when the Core iWhatever branding started.
Intel “Core” processors:[list<][*<]1st generation: Nehalem 45nm/32nm (Bloomfield/Lynnfield/Clarksfield/Westmere)—interestingly Westmere was 32nm and would have been considered a second "generation" by Intel after the next generation[/*<][*<]2nd generation: Sandy Bridge 32nm—at this point Intel stopped using separate codenames for the different SKUs based on the same core design and instead started using the suffixes, so SNB-DT, SNB-S, SNB-E, SNB-EP, etc.[/*<][*<]3rd generation: Ivy Bridge 22nm, mostly a die shrink, first gen to have unsoldered IHS[/*<][*<]4th generation: Haswell 22nm, major architectural changes, large IPC uplift, first Iris graphics[/*<][*<]5th generation: Broadwell 14nm, mostly mobile-only[/*<][*<]6th generation: Skylake 14nm, major architectural changes, DDR4, [/*<][*<]7th generation: Kaby Lake 14nm, very minor changes from Skylake[/*<][*<]8th generation: Coffee Lake on 14nm, purportedly[/*<][/list<] The Core and Core 2 processors aren't actually counted as part of the Intel "Core" series, oddly.
Interesting — thanks!
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_CPU_microarchitectures<]It's a complete fustercluck.[/url<] A "tock" (new architecture) ought to be the definition of a generation from any sensible perspective, but Intel seemed initially to call the "tick" and the "tock" a new generation except they [i<]didn't[/i<] do that from Nehalem to Westmere, so that isn't a rule we can follow. Similarly, optimisation phases like Kaby, Kaby's refresh and Coffee Lake now count as separate generations, despite Haswell's refresh (Devils' Canyon) not qualifying as a new generation. Also, just to throw more mud in your eyes, These Kaby refresh parts are going to be given the same 8th Gen. designation as Coffee Lake parts, which should be 9th Gen if they're bothering to give Kaby's refresh new designation. Finally, according to Intel's own number scheme slides from a couple of years ago, the first number in the model is the generation, so all Sandy-bridge desktop parts started with 2 - e.g. i3-[b<]2[/b<]100, i5-[b<]2[/b<]500K and all Haswell parts started with 4, like the [b<]4[/b<]790K. So why are there G[b<]4[/b<]560 and G[b<]3[/b<]950 models in the [b<]7[/b<]th Gen. Kaby Lake product stack now? The only answer that makes any sense is that [b<]NOTHING MAKES ANY SENSE.[/b<] /Chewbacca defense.
It is surprisingly straightforward if you just go by the model numbers, 1st generation being a bit of an exception.
G1 Nahalem – Core i7 9xx
G2 Sandy Bridge – Core i7 2xxx
G3 Ivy Bridge – Core i7 3xxx
G4 Haswell – Core i7 4xxx
G5 Broadwell – Core i7 5xxx
G6 Skylake – Core i7 6xxx
G7 Kaby Lake – Core i7 7xxx
G8 Coffee Lake
Don’t accuse Intel of being straightforward with anything to do with model numbers!
It just encourages them to be even more convoluted!
It is certainly easy to find inconsistencies, nonetheless, the lineage of the Intel Core generations is simple to establish.
Does that mean that the Pentium G4560 is haswell then?
Not sure without looking it up, but the original question was simply asking about the Core generations, and I tried to give a helpful answer.
I guess so.
I consider the Pentiums and Celerons based on the equivalent chips to be part of the “Core” generations, but they aren’t explicitly labelled as such.
Yeah no.
Reality of the meaningful parts of the chips, the x86 cores:
Nehalem: 1
Sandy + Ivy: 2
Haswell + Broadwell: 3
Skylake, Kaby, Coffee: 4
Cannon (assuming no more shenanigans): 5
Improvements to the lame force-bundled gpu and minor tweaks or bugfixes don’t count as “generations” unless you are drinking the spiked punch in the marketing department.
Something that is generated.
A brightly shining CPU with “Blazing” speeds. These seem like some very poor word choices.
Sounds like cooling these will be an issue. Especially if they use the same putty that they put in the [don’t overclock it!]7700k.
It’s a brightly shining CPU because Intel’s major change in this generation is they’re embedding RGB LEDs. Programmable to indicate: temperature, load, turbo frequency, power draw, or n00bz pwned.
Yeah, FINALLY a reason to upgrade!
I like INTEL slides, they are very bluish and fine, last 10 years they have looked the same, at least it feels like it.
That department on INTEL making these slides have one easy job, I mean, what have happen during last 10 years regarding content?
Eh, I’m happy with my 7700K. I doubt these will be superior at all for gaming.
Assuming they can hit the same clocks, a six-core version of Kaby Lake will if nothing else have more cache, which will help with game performance. In that light, they might be, technically, objectively “superior” for gaming, but the difference will likely be percentages of percentage points. Heh.
I’ll be outside watching the ellipse, thank you very much.
You didn’t mean ‘eclipse’, did you? If not, consider me intrigued!
LOL. That is that I meant, of course. Thanks for the correction.
Mmm… Coffee….
Mmm…*lake* of coffee…
covfefe lake
Thats fake news.
Brian Krzanich has the money and the numbers, but no match for the mind of Dr. Lisa Su, whose goal isn’t to displace Intel (which Samsung already has), but to save AMD while securing a chunk of the global CPU market.
This is going to be a great Christmas for AMD employees.
2018: Dr. Lisa Su, CEO of the year.
Do you think you could lay off…whatever this is?
I think I figured it out:
[url<]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itydwcyywBc[/url<]
POSSESSION IS NINE TENTHS OF THE LAW
Stiffen your spine, and don’t be afraid of the dark.
These are going to be 15 W ultraportable processors aren’t they? Exciting if you’re ready for a new laptop, boring otherwise.
If I were getting a new work laptop soon, and the ThinkPads using these new processors had a snowball’s chance in hell of being released before Q1 next year, this would have been exciting, especially given the doubling of core counts at the top end. (I develop software, so a quad core, eight thread processor would be helpful in testing my code.)
But as of right now I can’t be fussed. 🙂
This will be CFL-S and -K. Desktop. ∠(｀・ω・´)
While I hope you’re right, you don’t know that, kiddo.
Wow, is this ever exciting!
“speak softly, and carry a big stick.”
Americans hate competition, but it truly is a beautiful thing.
(-16) + (-21) = -37
Trump Goosestepper doing math. Whadda trip!
I’m giving you an up vote because I think you’re on to something there.
While many Americans really do like competition, I think you’re right that many don’t. And the ones who like it and the ones who hate it aren’t always who you would expect, based on their rhetoric.
Replace Americans with people in general and you’ll find the statement still holds true…
No one speaks of people in general. Least, not Americans.
Personally, I LOVE competition.
In fact, a competitor approached and asked why I insisted in possessing such detail on his company’s products. Can you believe that?
You haven’t met a Bernie bro. They will tell you what to think instead of asking for your opinion.
Americans hate competition, but it truly is a beautiful thing.
Is this an announcement or a launch? I thought I heard these weren’t coming out until the end of the year.
AFAICT it seems like an announcement. Hopefully we will find out how much of that is mobile vs desktop.
Just in time for some morning coffee!
[url<]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVJqwCdzZnw[/url<]
“All things align”
translation:
“AMD releases something competitive at much lower prices”
It does not sound promising when they quote performance improvements as high as 30% for their 15W chips. If the rumour of quad core 15W chip is true, I would expect the 30% improvement to be in line with the 2 extra physical core with lower sustained clock speed. Therefore, I have my reservations about the actual IPC gains on Coffee Lake vs Kaby Lake. This gen is likely going to be a core count catch up with competition.
That’s not a rumour, quad core at 15W is happening and the 30% performance improvement is a 4C/8T vs a 2C/4T kaby chip
Edit: [url<]https://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2017/05/intel-coffee-lake-performance/[/url<]
Coffee Lake is almost guaranteed to have no IPC gains over Kaby Lake (which had no gains over Skylake).
This is all about moar corez while using the 14++nm improvements to maintain high-ish clocks.
But it requires a new socket over skylake/kaby lake. Skipping to the refrsh of coffee lake would be the best idea for Xeon owners.
err that’s exactly what it is, a core count bump.
AMD’s stocks is just like my downvotes
why would you pay twice the price?
Your name is as bad as your comment. That hsf wasn’t cool in 2009, bro. Do you need assistance?
No pun foolery going on in my comment.
[url<]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBrwo4HWmpY[/url<]
Down votes are a good thing. Shows you on right track opposite of Trump voters.
So what are the odds of Ryzen 2 being a flop? I’m upvoting you just to bring you closer to “cool.”
Firstly, idc about these CPUs.
Srsly, bro?
Srsly:bro.
Part 2: Return of the Bro
2 bro 2 serious
Bro 3: Bro Harder
Let’s see if my minuses and best your plusses, bro.
And [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeglqGC3cco&feature=youtu.be&t=7s<]secondofly[/url<]?
+3 for Tobias derFünkenstein.
wow, that sounds serious.
If you’re going to start listing things with ‘[i<]firstly[/i<]' at least follow through with more points. We're all waiting on the edge of our seats to hear the remainder of your inspiring and numbered opinions.
Its a 1-bit list.
cool story bro.
I do know they will be using thermal paste instead of solder 🙁