Intel acknowledges Haswell and Broadwell reboots after patches

We reported yesterday on Microsoft's suspended patches for the Meltdown and Spectre speculative execution vulnerabilities on AMD systems. It seems that the Intel has also run into trouble with the update on some of its older CPUs. Desktop users and datacenters have reported "higher system reboots," which we take to mean more frequent spontaneous reboots.

Intel says the problems are limited to some of its Haswell and Broadwell processors. The company says it'll work with the customers who reported the problem to "understand, diagnose, and address this reboot issue." The silicon giant is already discussing the issue with some of its large datacenter customers, and promises that it'll work with its partners in the event that a firmware update is needed.

Intel didn't say whether the reboots were limited to any particular operating system. Executive VP and GM of Intel's Data Center Group Navin Shenoy concludes the update by saying that end-users should continue applying updates recommended by their system manufacturer and operating system makers.

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    • Walkintarget
    • 5 years ago

    I used a few ups and downs to get all his comments to a nice, even 66. There, now the world is back on its proper rotational axis.

    • TheEmrys
    • 5 years ago

    You will need to have TARFU also, followed by FUBAR.

    • mtruchado
    • 5 years ago

    Does windows have such a feature to replace the microcode or is just linux exclusive? I beat It has but just for clarification

    • bthylafh
    • 5 years ago

    It does. Currently shows my i7-7800K as having the 6E microcode.

    • mtruchado
    • 5 years ago

    Theoretically yes, but just one of the two variants, not even google could reproduce the problem in a modern architecture (they did in a old FX series), and just in case AMD fix It using a microcode update, this means, no software update is required.

    • mtruchado
    • 5 years ago

    Acer finally published a list of affected products

    [url<]https://us.answers.acer.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/53104/~/meltdown-and-spectre-security-vulnerabilities[/url<] Good to know that the solution for my V5-573g is the following: Keep your anti-virus software up to date, and running at all times; Make sure your internet browser is always kept up to date with the latest updates and fixes; Avoid installation of unknown programs, or programs from a dubious source; Visit only reputable websites with minimal intrusive advertisements and external content. This must be the solution because the laptop is not even listed in the affected models :facepalm:

    • mcarson09
    • 5 years ago

    AMD is Affected by Spectre too!!!!!

    • Kharnellius
    • 5 years ago

    I tried to help but it’s still a mess. 🙁

    • Redocbew
    • 5 years ago

    Some people just want to watch the [s<]world[/s<] threads burn.

    • Grahambo910
    • 5 years ago

    Some NAsty FUd.

    • Ninjitsu
    • 5 years ago

    I brought balance to the [s<]Force[/s<] meme by making everything +/- 58, sadly it's been ruined now. 🙁

    • fyo
    • 5 years ago

    According to Microsoft, they are not going to push these Intel microcode updates, so the only way to get them on Windows is with a firmware upgrade. I hope MS at some point in the future decides to include the microcode updates and that they are just unwilling to shoulder the blame for any problems at this time (which appears to have been a wise decision).

    • cegras
    • 5 years ago

    I don’t care at all, it’s just funny to see how quickly +/- 3’s come out in threads chuckula is active in.

    • Redocbew
    • 5 years ago

    Drat, and I thought I was being so subtle.

    If you really care this much about downvotes, then I’m not sure what else to tell you.

    • spiked_mistborn
    • 5 years ago

    Try hwinfo64. It shows the microcode version on my Ryzen 7 system, so I’m guessing it should work the same for Intel.

    • eloj
    • 5 years ago

    Was surprised to realize CPU-Z doesn’t seem to report which microcode you’re running. Is that not queryable in Windows?

    $ cat /proc/cpuinfo


    processor : 11
    vendor_id : GenuineIntel
    cpu family : 6
    model : 63
    model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2620 v3 @ 2.40GHz
    stepping : 2
    microcode : 0x3b

    • cegras
    • 5 years ago

    And plenty of us don’t. Just that the ones that do tend to be gold subscribers. Anything pro chuckula usually receives three thumbs up in short order – it’s too transparent.

    • Waco
    • 5 years ago

    A lot of us find him funny and on-point much of the time. 🙂

    • moose17145
    • 5 years ago

    *Looks at 6900K inside system*

    Well crud….

    • crazybus
    • 5 years ago

    I have had four random hard lockups on my Asus Skylake laptop since installing the Microsoft patch for Windows 10 1709. I hope this gets resolved soon.

    • Shobai
    • 5 years ago

    Well, no less than 5 words, at a guess.

    • albundy
    • 5 years ago

    no smart phone?

    • willmore
    • 5 years ago

    I want to find a security vulnerability that we can use the name SNAFU for. At this rate, how long can it be? 😉

    • cegras
    • 5 years ago

    Three downvotes on anything criticizing chuckula = 3 downvotes from gold membership chuckula.

    • TwoEars
    • 5 years ago

    Next challenge: Make the top 4 comments spell a sentance.

    • DoomGuy64
    • 5 years ago

    I speculate it’s all the multiple accounts he uses to vote troll. Then once you upvote yourself up enough to initiate a bandwagon effect, the community continues the trend. Never trust trends that seem artificial, because they probably are.

    • ludi
    • 5 years ago

    He’s funny….he’s funny not…he’s funny…he’s funny not…

    • ermo
    • 5 years ago

    FWIW, the statement wasn’t specifically aimed at intel, but rather the whole x86 ecosystem, such as it is.

    Spectre is here for the long haul. Thanks for the link.

    • captaintrav
    • 5 years ago

    No mention of this maybe affecting Kaby Lake systems as well? Lenovo has pulled the BIOS updates for a few rather new models as well. But maybe they just goofed on their part rather than an issue with the microcode update.

    • Sahrin
    • 5 years ago

    One of my around-the-house machines is a 4700K OC’d to 4.0 GHz. I’ve noticed it is locking up in a weird way since the patch, requiring a reboot to start.

    • tacitust
    • 5 years ago

    Google just released a statement on their cloud services fixes, saying they were the most complex and difficult fixes they have had to do in at least a decade.

    Easy to criticize, not so easy to get it right first, second, or even third time.

    • chuckula
    • 5 years ago

    You know that scene at the end of the Last Jedi?

    It’s kinda like that!

    • Chrispy_
    • 5 years ago

    I’m impressed.

    That’s either a great demonstration of herd mentality or you’ve made lots of dummy accounts to vote yourself.

    Either way, bravo!

    • chuckula
    • 5 years ago

    I just want credit for having discovered the side-[s<]channel[/s<] [u<]panel[/u<] flaw in Intel's CPUs that let me hijack the top comments section.

    • Wirko
    • 5 years ago

    Woohoo, we have just melted down the Top Comments list!

    • Wirko
    • 5 years ago

    And look at the times! Looks like he operates a cluster of 8 Haswell machines, and he turned them on one after another, in ten second intervals, to post so fast.

    • derFunkenstein
    • 5 years ago

    how have you managed those identical, alternating upvote/downvote counts along this thread? Pretty astounding.

    • wingless
    • 5 years ago

    YOU WIN TODAY!

    • JosiahBradley
    • 5 years ago

    Thanks for the clarification! What I meant was I’m not getting a BIOS update I guess as MSI only list back to the z170 boards. I’ll check with powershell if I’m protected and maybe inquiry about how to patch my machine properly.

    • chuckula
    • 5 years ago

    [quote<]I'm not even getting the microcode update for my mobo so I'm just sol. [/quote<] I think there's some confusion here. You don't need your motherboard vendor to give you microcode updates for a CPU. It's true that a firmware update for your motherboard could include updated microcode, but microcode != a motherboard firmware update. For example, under Arch Linux I just have to configure [url=https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/any/intel-ucode/<]the intel-ucode package[/url<] and I've got microcode that updates automatically via the standard software update process.

    • JosiahBradley
    • 5 years ago

    I’m not even getting the microcode update for my mobo so I’m just sol. My machine is just as fast as the “latest and greatest” from Intel but no I need to upgrade because of a flaw that isn’t my fault. If Ryzen 2/Zen+ whatever it is called launches in April I’m seriously considering switching. My only concern, which is sadly reality these days, is that it won’t even be close to the single threaded performance I have now with Haswell at 4.7-9Ghz. I play at 144hz so every ounce of performance I can get is worth it.

    • chuckula
    • 5 years ago

    Reboots!

    • chuckula
    • 5 years ago

    Between

    • chuckula
    • 5 years ago

    In

    • chuckula
    • 5 years ago

    Word

    • chuckula
    • 5 years ago

    One

    • chuckula
    • 5 years ago

    Get

    • chuckula
    • 5 years ago

    Only

    • chuckula
    • 5 years ago

    Can

    • ermo
    • 5 years ago

    Not the first and certainly not the last SNAFU in what is shaping up to become the longest running series in the history of SNAFUs.

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