Poll: What component is standing in the way of your next PC build?

There are no two ways about it right now: it is a dismal time to be a PC builder. Between cryptomining-related shortages of graphics cards and high-end power supplies, sky-high RAM prices, and costly SSDs, the TR staff has been considering some dark avenues for gaming and computing satisfaction of late. $500 consoles and prebuilt systems have both seemed like appealing recommendations in the past couple of months as we cope with this grim new reality.

We imagine many gerbils have parts lists gathering dust until the day that graphics cards or other components become widely available again, so we wanted to know what particular part is the biggest obstacle for your next system build. Let us know using the poll options below.

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    • Dysthymia
    • 1 year ago

    I’m still running with my Haswell system from 2013. Planning on putting together a nice Ryzen system with the second generation of the Zen architecture next year.
    I’m pretty CPU limited in games and have been for a while. My 4770k won’t overclock at all after I mistakenly had it OC’d on auto voltage (1.37v!) for half a year. I guess I should consider it good that it’s stable at stock.

    • Aranarth
    • 1 year ago

    Fine cheese in short supply.
    If I had sufficient fine cheese I could sell it and have the money to buy a new computer…. πŸ˜€

    Maybe I should start a go fund me campaign πŸ˜€

    • tygrus
    • 2 years ago

    Something else = The Operating System and licensed software limited to 1 installation. Existing system has software that was licensed for Win7. To avoid new licenses and keeping setup means keeping Win7. Win7 doesn’t natively support newer CPU, Win10 would kill existing setup and drive me crazy.

    • K-L-Waster
    • 2 years ago

    I’m really glad I jumped on an 8700K build in mid-December — not so much for the 8700K itself, but because by sheer luck I got in before the prices went from “meh” to “are you on crack?!?”

    (I’m not claiming any sort of brilliance or foresight here: I just gave into the itch at what turned out to be a decent time.)

      • techguy
      • 2 years ago

      I can walk into a Micro Center right now and buy an 8700k for $329. Was actually $299 for awhile. You probably paid closer to $400 in December. Maybe the supporting parts were cheaper back then, but the CPU itself was not.

        • K-L-Waster
        • 2 years ago

        Or in the case of GPUs, actually available at all…

          • techguy
          • 2 years ago

          They have GPUs as well. Ridiculously priced, but in-stock. 1080 Ti, Vega 56, you name it.

    • ET3D
    • 2 years ago

    After realising that I don’t need my new PC build to be better than the old one, because all I want is to play with building, tweaking and benchmarking it, not to actually use it, the only thing standing in my way is that the Ryzen 3 2200G isn’t compatible with the BIOS the motherboard came with.

    • BIF
    • 2 years ago

    I want a new laptop with a Generation 8 Core i7 (6 cores) and dual 1080 TI cards.

    I don’t care how loud the fans are.
    I don’t care if the laptop requires two power bricks. I prefer individual footwarmers for each foot anyway.
    I don’t care if I have to carry an 8-socket power tap everywhere I go.
    I don’t care if I have to wheel the laptop’s backpack around on a luggage cart.
    I don’t care if I have to put the thing on a rubber mat or chain it down so that the fans don’t push it into my stomach during gaming or rendering.
    I don’t care if I need to beef up the suspension in my car, or build reinforcements into my laptop cart.

    I probably can’t afford this, so I’ll have to settle for something less. And they don’t make 1080 TI cards for laptops anyway. πŸ™

      • ronch
      • 2 years ago

      OK, but bro… I don’t care.

      :/

        • BIF
        • 2 years ago

        That’s okay with me. You weren’t the one who asked. πŸ™‚

    • Kaleid
    • 2 years ago

    I don’t really need anything as of yet, even for 1440p the 480 8GB will do at least one more year.

    • Dizzytaz00
    • 2 years ago

    I gave up trying to build a new pc! so i brought an xbox one s!

      • Shobai
      • 2 years ago

      To where? Or do you just lug it everywhere you go?

        • ronch
        • 2 years ago

        One letter can make all the difference.

    • Klimax
    • 2 years ago

    Already got new build but its missing second main intended upgrade – RAM. (Need at least 64GB at good speeds)

    Must say i9-7920X runs nicely on air at 4,2GHz…

    • odizzido
    • 2 years ago

    Lack of real need. For what I do my i5 750 does an okay job. It’s not great, but it’s still usable without any major pain.

    So I have to look at what I will gain vs the cost and it’s simply not very tempting. I’d much rather keep what I have and spend my money later on something that will have much more impact.

    • Village
    • 2 years ago

    i7-930 @ 3.2ghz and a 7870 here… I’m starting to feel the itch to upgrade more than the need. But I feel I could get away with a GPU upgrade and drag out the platform another year or two… if they weren’t so expensive.

    If I wait long enough iGPUs will surpass the 7870 and I’ll be good to upgrade. =)

      • CScottG
      • 2 years ago

      -you might be able to get $90 for that 7870

      [url<]http://www.ebay.com/bhp/hd-7870[/url<] That should help defray the cost of an over-inflated "new" GPU. 1050 Ti 4 GB's are about $70 over original MSRP and the total cost to you after selling your 7870 would be modest. Ex. [url<]https://www.amazon.com/PNY-GeForce-1050-Graphics-VCGGTX10504PB/dp/B01MCX07NW/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_147_bs_t_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=67VN2BPBGY1YMDPBVDEB[/url<]

    • ronch
    • 2 years ago

    Lately I’ve become more of a watch guy than a computer guy, so I’ve become one of those folks who don’t care much about what’s inside their PCs as long as it works well and fast enough. For the longest time I’ve been known around family and friends as a computer enthusiast/geek/hobbyist but I suppose the only thing that’s been exciting for the past few years was Ryzen, and even that failed to make me ditch my 5-year old FX-8350 rig (which I find no reason to replace just yet.. fingers crossed).

    So I find myself watching YouTube channels like The Urban Gentry, Watchfinder & Co., The Time Teller, and Just One More Watch instead of scouring benchmarks.

      • llisandro
      • 2 years ago

      you’re leaving so much performance on the table if you leave your watch at stock settings.

      I always overclock by at least 5 minutes, and haven’t been late to a meeting since I started doing it.

        • ronch
        • 2 years ago

        I don’t need to overclock some of my watches. Most of them gain time even if I don’t touch them. Some get +10 per month, and my non-COSC automatic gets about +3 to +8 spd. They overclock automatically.

          • llisandro
          • 2 years ago

          Ugh! Manufacturer’s automatic overclocking needs to be disabled by default!

            • ronch
            • 2 years ago

            Well, better automatic overclocking instead of automatic underclocking, wouldn’t you agree?

            • K-L-Waster
            • 2 years ago

            True watch-geeks delid.

      • spiral01
      • 2 years ago

      Let me guess, your in you upper 30s? Same thing happened with myself and a few friends, eventually what we have is good enough and we start saving our tax refund instead of spending it to oblivion.

      • MOSFET
      • 2 years ago

      Yep, you’re definitely a watcher.

      [quote<]ditch my 5-year old FX-8350 rig (which I find no reason to replace just yet[/quote<] πŸ™‚

    • sumang007
    • 2 years ago

    Can I select multiple options?

    I guess technically I am only waiting for Ryzen+, but along with that goes X470… and an affordable GPU… and some affordable RAM…!

      • CScottG
      • 2 years ago

      “Some (or all) of the above” is a choice. It’s what I selected.

      -numerous problems with system purchasing or upgrading now. I’m even waiting for something that’s not really available yet – optane DIMM’s:

      [url<]https://techreport.com/news/32841/intel-confirms-optane-dimms-for-late-2018[/url<] ..and it's going to be to expensive at first anyway - so I'm guessing my next build will be in 2019 (or later). (I want my "system"/OS on this "drive".)

    • setaG_lliB
    • 2 years ago

    George Glass.
    Dammit, Jan! Get that blow-up doll off of my computer desk!

    • Growler
    • 2 years ago

    I’m waiting on shipping. I found a motherboard/GPU combo on Massdrop, and it’s supposed to be mailed by Monday. It’s already been a month, and I’m going crazy waiting.

    • blitzy
    • 2 years ago

    i5-3570 and a gtx 970 still doing the job for me with a slight OC on the cpu. If not for GPU / memory prices and spectre /meltdown I would probably upgrade.. but it’s not a great value proposition right now… 6-12months should be better

    • NovusBogus
    • 2 years ago

    I’m eager to upgrade to a GTX 1160 or 1170, preferably with 6-8 GB of HBM and less than 10 inches in length. So the next upgrade is being held back by the issue of such a card not existing until later this year or early next. The 960 is probably the least impressive component in my system but since I don’t mess with any of that 4K or 144Hz foolishness it’s been enough to do what I need it to.

    • Firestarter
    • 2 years ago

    I was eyeing a complete system including a 1080Ti but the DDR4 prices made me wary, and I was waiting for coffee lake. Now I’m just going to stretch this i2500K+HD7950 for as long as it takes

    • synthtel2
    • 2 years ago

    Not a next build as stated in the question, but mining is standing in the way of my rig being complete and balanced. The GTX 960 is by far the weakest link at the moment.

    • Prototyped
    • 2 years ago

    A sense of impending doom (not tech related) and the fact that I built a KBL (Xeon E3) desktop a year ago. (Yeah, egg on my face when Coffee Lake and the impact of the mitigations for Meltdown and Spectre struck — should’ve gone Ryzen, though this was around the time the [url=https://techreport.com/news/31621/amd-readies-a-fix-for-ryzen-fma3-bug<]FMA3 bug[/url<] came to light, and Ryzen was claimed to be at par with Broadwell, which just didn't seem appealing at the time. I usually buy AMD anyway.) Sold my previous desktop, which had: [list<] [*<]AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 95W "Thuban" [/*<][*<]8 GB DDR3-1333 [/*<][*<]Terrible MSI Socket AM3+ board based on an AMD 760G chipset (with a Radeon HD 3000 IGP) and awful VRM cooling that caused it to start thermal throttling whenever doing something computationally intensive [/*<] [/list<] Upgraded to a: [list<] [*<]Intel Xeon E3-1245v6 "Kaby Lake" [/*<][*<]16 GB DDR4-2400 ECC [/*<][*<]Middling MSI LGA1151 board featuring a C236 chipset (with Intel HD Graphics P630 though I don't actually use it) [/*<][*<](Reused) EVGA GeForce GT740 1GB GDDR5 (basically a GTX 650 rebadged -- what can I say, I don't game) [/*<][*<](Reused) Crucial MX100 256GB (MLC but planar, slow, with a slow controller, hanging off SATA) [/*<][*<](Reused) Kingston SSDNow V300 (ditto about MLC and slow controller hanging off SATA -- in RAID 1 mirror with the previous one for redundancy. At least I snagged it before Kingston decided that [url=https://www.anandtech.com/show/7763/an-update-to-kingston-ssdnow-v300-a-switch-to-slower-micron-nand<]asynchronous NAND would be a good substitute for toggle-mode NAND[/url<].) [/*<][*<](Reused) 1x 3TB Toshiba DT01ACA300 spinny-platter drive [/*<][*<](Reused) 1x 4TB Toshiba X300 spinny-platter drive (first 3 TB in RAID 1 mirror with former, short-stroked so remaining 1 TB unused) [/*<] [/list<] Given most of what I do with it is either I/O bound or memory intensively compute bound, Spectre was a bit of a bummer.

      • ronch
      • 2 years ago

      You should get a diary, man. So you could, you know, when you get old you would be able to recall the system specs you had when you were younger.

        • JustAnEngineer
        • 2 years ago

        1) Use TR forum posts for this. They’re much easier to search than the comments section.
        2) Create a database or spreadsheet.
        πŸ˜‰

    • warriorpoet
    • 2 years ago

    Shoot.

    I just built one last year after the Ryzen 5 launch. Prices dipped for a bit on everything, and I was able to upgrade for not a ton of money.

    Ryzen 5 1600x
    16Gb DDR4
    GeForce 1080 (with a giant honking MIR)

    I guess I really don’t need to upgrade for a while. This config seems to work OK…

    • Grigory
    • 2 years ago

    Windows 10

    • Misel
    • 2 years ago

    I’m still waiting for prices going down and/or used mining cards flooding ebay so that I can finally put my 290X at ease.

      • Leader952
      • 2 years ago

      I got lucky and snagged a pair of GTX 1070 Ti Founders Edition this morning at MSRP of $449 each.

      You need to go to [url<]https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/geforce-store[/url<] and click on the "Notify Me" and hope that you are at your computer when the notice that the card(s) you are interested in are available. The notice for me came at 9:22 AM CDT. My order was completed at 9:23 AM. The GTX 1070 Ti Founders Edition were sold out about a minute later.

        • Misel
        • 2 years ago

        Sorry, AMD Fanboy here πŸ˜‰

          • Leader952
          • 2 years ago

          You might want to consider getting a pair of them next time they are in stock and then sell them immediately on eBay. A pair of them recently sold for $1500 so after deducting eBay/Paypal fees and shipping you should net $350 in profit which you could use to help with your AMD card purchase.

      • moose17145
      • 2 years ago

      This. I am currently running a R9 290 (non-X)

      The rest of my broadwell-E system is plenty fine for the time being… but the videocard is getting a little long in the tooth… especially since I have it paired with a 2k 144Hz monitor.

      Given current videocard prices though, it looks like the 290 will have to hold down the fort for a while longer…

    • Srsly_Bro
    • 2 years ago

    There were many months where GPUs were near MSRP and in the last two mounts all the dorks who failed to buy a card act like there were never able to get a GPU below $1000.

    Ya’ll nerds should have listened to your mom when she read that story about mother hen preparing for winter. All you whiny nerds didn’t act and got rekt.

    This wasn’t the first hike in prices.

    You had plenty of time to buy a card. If you couldn’t afford a card under$500 around last Christmas, you shouldn’t be buying one, period.

    Please stop whining and complaining here; tell your mom instead.

    Most sincerely,

    Your bro

      • Voldenuit
      • 2 years ago

      So, you think “I got mine, screw you” is better than ‘complaining’ about inflated prices?

      Yeah…

        • Srsly_Bro
        • 2 years ago

        I saw a few GTX 1070Tis on Newegg a few days ago for $599.99. That’s $100 above the price of many variants. Mining for a month would almost cover the difference.

        Why complain when you can just buy a card a little above and mine to cover the difference? Who hates free money? You can even keep mining and make even more money!

        Don’t justify whining bro. Only action solves problems. Endless whining alone isn’t solving anything.

        • Dysthymia
        • 1 year ago

        Yeah, are you a republican Srsly_Bro?

      • Leader952
      • 2 years ago

      ^ This

      I picked up a pair of SAPPHIRE Radeon RX Vega 56 DirectX 12 100420L 8GB 2048-Bit HBM2 from Newegg at MSRP of $399.99 for a total of $810.05 with shipping.

      AMD was trying to counter the Nvidia GTX 1070 Ti launch so they made a large number available at that price for about 2-3 weeks.

        • Srsly_Bro
        • 2 years ago

        Nice job, bro. It pays to be prepared. I hope you’re mining and making some extra income.

        Everyone wants to complain about prices instead of acknowledging all the time they had to buy a GPU for a near-MSRP price.

          • Leader952
          • 2 years ago

          I mined with them for three months and then sold them on eBay for $1600 which resulted in a $600 profit from my original $810 purchase price after all fees/shipping/insurance.

          The reason I sold was because of the recent crypto crash that took BTC down to $6000 and XMR down to $179. I wanted to minimize my costs and lock in some profits.

          During the time I had them I mined two XMR (Monero) which I sold for $620 when XMR recovered recently.

          So $1220 in profit for a short term (4 month) outlay of $810.

          Others here could have done the same and used the profit to buy whatever GPU they wanted even at today’s sky high prices.

          Instead all you ever see is the constant whining.

      • Concupiscence
      • 2 years ago

      Those people waiting for their tax returns so their families and friends can have a nice Christmas just don’t [i<]deserve[/i<] to have any fun later, right?

      • TEAMSWITCHER
      • 2 years ago

      You only get “rekt” if you think you need to pay $1000 for a GTX 1080 card.

      If a game doesn’t run well at 4K on my two Strix GTX 970 cards in SLI … I drop the resolution to 1080p and crank up the anti-aliasing. The loss in Visual Fidelity doesn’t distract much from the game play – especially in fast paced games. And so many games run just fine at 4K on two GTX 970’s in SLI.

      I have no problem waiting for the next generation GTX card – other than what to do with my money. One thing is for certain .. the DIY PC industry isn’t getting it.

        • Srsly_Bro
        • 2 years ago

        I paid $830 for my EVGA 1080 Ti FTW3. I saw on Newegg that several 1070Tis were priced around $600. If a person mined for a month, the difference would cover the price vs MSRP. The rest of the people are just whiners looking for a reason to whine.

      • Duct Tape Dude
      • 2 years ago

      Not sure whether you’re advertising the quality of Russian trolls, demonstrating your aversion to having friends, or providing evidence of a ToS violation when you clicked the box for “I am over the age of 13.”

      Whatever your reasons, I have three downthumbs to keep you company. Tech Report was not built on the likes of you.

        • Leader952
        • 2 years ago

        Actually he speaks the truth. A number of times cards were available at MSRP. Sometimes for a period of weeks yet the ones that constantly whine never pulled the trigger.

        Early last November when Nvidia was releasing the GTX 1070 Ti AMD made available a large number of Vega 56’s at MSRP of $399.99. This went on for a few weeks and if you looked and listened you would have read that this was only going to be temporary. So many at that time didn’t pull the trigger because either they wanted a custom Vega that still were not released or didn’t like the blower on the Vega.

        All they had to do then is what I did. Buy two Vega 56’s for $810, mine XMR for four months, resell the used Vega’s for $1600 (profit of $600), sell the two mined XMR for $620 USD then use the $1220 in profit to buy whatever GPU they want.

      • NovusBogus
      • 2 years ago

      I don’t like the supply situation, but I have to admit that I find the two groups of nerds arguing about whose Internet connected number crunching application is more virtuous rather amusing. And it’s not like shortages are endemic to enthusiast class PC hardware, if anything they happen less on average than the typical specialized industry segment. Some of my day job customers measure backorder time in YEARS.

      Hopefully they’ll get the situation sorted out soon. Now that GPGPU officially has a killer app, it’s probably not going away any time soon.

      • ronch
      • 2 years ago

      Are you trying to make enemies here, bro?

      • chuckula
      • 2 years ago

      And you complain about my trolls!

      • davidbowser
      • 2 years ago

      trollin like a BOSS!

      Well played

    • Takeshi7
    • 2 years ago

    I’m just waiting for the next console generation to be released. I always wait until after a new console generation is released to build a gaming PC. Then my PC is guaranteed to run all the games for that generation.

    • Shinare
    • 2 years ago

    Voted gfx card only because that’s the only component in my PC that really needs an upgrade, but its hard to stomach the crazy markups right now. Just waiting and wondering if prices will ever drop to resonable levels again. Seems a little crazy that a mid level gfx card costs the same as almost the rest of the system.

    • Concupiscence
    • 2 years ago

    I’ve got a Ryzen 1700 that does everything I need for now. The 1070 Ti I snagged just before prices went nuts is sweet, glorious overkill for everything I do. Upping the RAM to 48 gigs versus its current 16 would be good for some seismic data projects I want to learn and play with, but that would cost a ghastly amount of money. It literally isn’t worth it. Maybe if prices settle down in a year I’ll look at doing it again…

    But on the subject of video cards, the market’s so irrational it’s hit used, older cards too. Even sourcing one that worked with my 2008 Mac Pro was surprisingly hard. A year ago a secondhand Kepler or GCN 1.0 card might have cost $60; now it’s so bad that finding a Radeon 7850 in January for $95 felt like I pulled something off. Considering I sold a Radeon 7970 for about $100 in 2016, I feel a bit sheepish for not holding on to it.

    • bthylafh
    • 2 years ago

    I just upgraded to a new build in early December, so cheese.

    • lex-ington
    • 2 years ago

    The optioon “no need” was not available, so I chose Something Else.

    I’m still rolling my AMD Athlon ii X4 920 and my Radeon 7500…(at least I think its a Radeon 7500).

    I put that processor in in 2009 and haven’t had the interest in upgrading anything….

      • Misel
      • 2 years ago

      A Radeon 7500 was release in 2001 and the Radeon HD 75*0 were released in 2012 – so something doesn’t add up.

        • sircharles32
        • 2 years ago

        He could be using a 32-bit PCI version of the Radeon 7500?

    • Voldenuit
    • 2 years ago

    Blew my desktop upgrade budget. Got my first gaming laptop this week. Anticipate travel for work in coming months and wanted to be able to keep gaming with my buddies from hotel rooms.

    To that end I got an 15.6″ ASUS Zephyrus with a GTX 1080 Max Q and a 120 Hz G-Sync screen, so I think I’m pretty good performance-wise for a while :p.

    • rudimentary_lathe
    • 2 years ago

    Some or all of the above.

    Memory and GPU prices are rather obscene at the moment, and I’ll hold off buying a new CPU until Spectre/Meltdown has been addressed.

    In the meantime my Haswell system should keep me going for the foreseeable future. I’ll have to upgrade when I go 4K (still lowly 1080p peasant for the time being πŸ™‚ ). It could use some more RAM, but I don’t want to spend an arm and a leg on DDR3 RAM. Even used RAM is expensive.

    • JosiahBradley
    • 2 years ago

    While it might be impossible for me to obtain a GPU I already am quite satisfied with a 1080 Ti. My biggest problem is the lack of upgrade path from my 4790K. CPU single threaded performance just stopped going up and clock speeds have also plateaued around 5Ghz. I know I could get a Ryzen 2700X and get literally double performance on multi-threaded apps but I really only game on my PC.

    • cygnus1
    • 2 years ago

    I’m on a Haswell i7, 32GB of DDR3, and a GTX 1070 and it handles 1440p @ 144hz quite nicely for most games. Right now my system rocks, and would cost a tremendous amount more just to replace right now compared to when it was new and any upgrade would be way more than I’d be willing spend for the minor speed improvements.

    The only thing making me consider an upgrade is the potential for Spectre/Meltdown related slowdown once those patches are stable and available from MS (I hold no hope that ASUS will patch Z87 boards). Luckily that would just be CPU/MB/RAM and I’d be fine keeping everything else. But still, no desire to do it if it can be avoided with these DDR4 prices as they are.

      • Lemonsquare
      • 2 years ago

      I’m also on a Haswell (i5) system, ASUS Maximus 6 Hero, and 16 GB of DDR3 1866, with a GTX 1070, albeit at 1080p – no plans to upgrade until I’ll gain a real world, appreciable performance difference in games that a GPU can’t provide. By the time I upgrade I’ll have probably gotten 6-8 years out of it (just over 4 currently).

      It is really unfortunate ASUS (and pretty much everyone else) won’t be issuing firmware updates for Spectre variant 2 for anything older than Skylake, although this illustrates a wider problem with MB firmware and driver updates no longer being updated relatively quickly, which is important from a security perspective, and no one really talks about it. I have no concerns with performance impact from Spectre/Meltdown patches.

      Our best hope is Microsoft issuing Intel’s updated Haswell microcode via Windows Update, but so far they’ve only released updated Skylake microcode.

        • cygnus1
        • 2 years ago

        Another thing I’ll say holds me back from upgrading, is Chrome (and browsers in general) memory usage combined with my usage pattern (many windows, many many tabs). This is what really makes 32GB of RAM useful for me. I like to not have to close down my browser to start a game, and if I only had 16GB I’d have to either do that or drastically change my browser habits.

        πŸ˜€

    • DrDominodog51
    • 2 years ago

    I’m waiting for used Rampage IV Extremes to fall in prices further from the launch of Coffeelake and Ryzen before doing an X79 build.

    • Arvald
    • 2 years ago

    Nothing, except I just built a Coffee Lake system.
    New graphics card was not in the budget, nor did I need one.

    RAM was painful price.

    • backwoods357
    • 2 years ago

    For me it’s definitely GPU prices, even if you ignore the cryptoboom availability issue. High end GPU prices have been steadily climbing like before that whole price fixing deal with ATI/Nvidia back in the day. I remember when $300 could buy you one hell of a GPU.

    • superjawes
    • 2 years ago

    I just don’t really have the need right now. I’m happy with how my PC is doing, and I don’t mass follow the latest AAA releases, so until my build starts to struggle with the “AA” stuff, I should be happy.

    I have also been neglecting my Switch, and I’ve got plenty of potential hours there between Mario and Zelda.

    • nerdrage
    • 2 years ago

    I was planning on upgrading to Coffee Lake in January, but then a perfect storm hit:
    [list=1<] [*<]Insane GPU prices and/or lack of availability [/*<][*<]Insane RAM prices [/*<][*<]Meltdown/Spectre - I'd really prefer to [b<]NOT[/b<] buy a new CPU with these flaws [/*<][*<]Wife and I decided to adopt a child [/*<] [/list<] I have a decent graphics card (7850/2GB) and so I can deal with #1. Hopefully #2 will resolve as companies ramp up supply to meet demand. A fix for #3 seems a long way off unfortunately πŸ™ As for #4... I might not have any time to play games anyway! πŸ™‚ I got a Switch for Christmas, and that will probably have to hold me for a while.

      • Concupiscence
      • 2 years ago

      The Switch will do just fine for you. Congratulations on your adoption!

        • designerfx
        • 2 years ago

        yeah, portability with a kid is kinda important πŸ˜›

      • Misel
      • 2 years ago

      Best wishes for you and your family πŸ™‚

    • toastie
    • 2 years ago

    Put together a Ryzen 5 system last year, and I’m all good for awhile except I wish I had a bit more graphics power. But there’s no affordable upgrade for a 3 Gig 1060. I got it on sale for about $200 at the time, just before prices went nuts.

    Edit: Whoops, went back and saw I only paid $140 for the card. Now it goes for about $350. Crazy

    • chuckula
    • 2 years ago

    I find the disappointing lack of components that include an egregious level of RGB LEDs to be a real showstopper.

    As a paid Intel shill, I’d gladly “upgrade” to a Pentium IV if those fools at corporate would just integrate a massive LED array into the heat spreader of the chip itself.

    • limitedaccess
    • 2 years ago

    The concern with doing a build now is based on likely market conditions 2019 will likely have a massive surge in terms of better prices and performance/functionality to price ratio.

    You’re basically caught in the buying high part of the cycle.

    • ronch
    • 2 years ago

    If I absolutely have to replace my PC today I can use my current graphics card and live with it until graphics card prices return to sensible levels. I can’t use my DDR3 RAM though, and RAM prices these days are purely atrocious.

    • kvndoom
    • 2 years ago

    RAM and GPU’s of course.

      • Waco
      • 2 years ago

      This. The prices are just too unreasonable for me to stomach.

      • farmpuma
      • 2 years ago

      <= same boat

    • bhtooefr
    • 2 years ago

    Realistically? Nothing, I just don’t need to do a new build. I’m happy with my i5-6600K and 1070 FE.

    My plan was to get five years out of the CPU/motherboard, I’m two years in. The graphics card got upgraded after a year from a 960, but that was planned all along (I did the build at an awkward time, where reference 970 blower cards weren’t cheap, but the 1070 was coming soon, so I built with a 960 to get by).

    • RickyTick
    • 2 years ago

    Just upgraded last Spring before prices went crazy.
    i7-950 –> i7-7700K ($309)
    GTX670 –> GTX1070 ($369)
    12gb ram –> 16gb ram ($123)
    HDD –> SSD ($264)

    I think I’m set for quite a while. TYVM

    • atari030
    • 2 years ago

    Waiting for the Ryzen 2000 series CPUs to land and become established for a bit before investing.

    In terms of the graphics card situation, I’m just going to pull the old card from my existing rig and wait and watch what happens.

    It’s got to get better sooner or later….right? [b<]Right!??[/b<]

      • dodozoid
      • 2 years ago

      Exactly my sentiment here.
      My i7 3770 is starting to show its age (+M0AR COREZ FTW!!!) and I am affraid of MB dying slowly (NEED MOAR COREZ!!!!)
      GPU however will have to do for the time being. I would have a hard time justifying paying current price while I dont realy game any more – as somebody here mentioned, being “responsible adult” with day job and a kid doesen’t realy go along with gaming

    • just brew it!
    • 2 years ago

    Time. I’ve had the parts for a new gaming build for months now.

    If I was starting from scratch, RAM would be the big hurdle. Unless RAM prices drop, this will delay my next “daily driver” Linux desktop build.

    • Peffse
    • 2 years ago

    I was spec’ing out a basic build that could perform the duties of a dedicated server for some of my video games. No need for a fancy video card in that situation, but WOW memory prices have skyrocketed. Put a serious damper on my plans.

    • thanatos355
    • 2 years ago

    My wallet.

      • RickyTick
      • 2 years ago

      Exactly what I was going to say.

      • Anonymous Hamster
      • 2 years ago

      Winning lottery ticket still missing.

    • DragonDaddyBear
    • 2 years ago

    I’m thinking my next system is a laptop. So, N/A? The wife’s XPS 14z is beginning to show it’s age, despite refreshing the wireless, battery, RAM, and dropping in an SSD.

    Right now, what’s holding me back from upgrading my main system is being a responsible adult. No time for games so why replace my Haswell and 7950?

    • NTMBK
    • 2 years ago

    I picked up a 1060 6GB late last year, before the prices went utterly insane. I mostly game on a 1080p TV, so I should be set for quite a few years. I could do with some more RAM and maybe an SSD in there, but hopefully this machine should last until game complexity ramps up with the next console generation.

    • Chrispy_
    • 2 years ago

    As bad as the GPU prices are, memory is far worse.

    I’m currently running Haswell with DDR3 and I need all 32GB that I have. I found an invoice last year that says I bought 160 16GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 kits last year at Β£42 each. Now, I received a discount for buying more than 100 kits at once, but that’s the list price before discount, so Β£85 for my 32GB at home.

    This wasn’t low-end DDR3 either, this was 1866MHz stuff with a lifetime warranty and (unwanted) fancy heat spreaders.

    If I wanted to upgrade, I’d want 64GB, but even if I matched my current system’s 32GB, I’d be looking at a DDR4 2666MHz kit and that’s currently selling for a median price of Β£290 for 32GB.

    So yes, graphics cards are between 1.5x and 2.0x their MRSP at the moment, but if you want more than the bare minimum of RAM, it’s the 3.5x increase in RAM prices that really hurts.

      • bhtooefr
      • 2 years ago

      I wonder if we’ll see anyone do a Z370 DDR3 motherboard to try to take advantage of the massive DDR3 install base. If you can move your DDR3 that you bought to upgrade your Core 2 Quad system or that you bought to build a Sandy Bridge in 2012 or so to a Coffee Lake system, that could save a ton on a build.

      There were some 100 series DDR3 boards, and while DDR3 is slower, latency isn’t bad, and swapping on DDR4 is slower than hitting in RAM on DDR3.

        • Chrispy_
        • 2 years ago

        I don’t think that’ll happen since the memory controller is in the CPUs not the boards.

        Whilst it’s true that Kaby Lake (and presumably Coffee Lake) support DDR3, it’s only DDR3L SoDIMMs that use way less power.

        Most of the DDR3 in use is 1.5V or 1.65V whilst DDR4 and DDR3L run at 1.2V or 1.35V at most.

          • bhtooefr
          • 2 years ago

          Ah, true, although there is probably a fair amount of Haswell-era DDR3L floating around in business desktops, too.

            • bhtooefr
            • 2 years ago

            For that matter, *NEW* DDR3 is an option, too.

            You can get a 16 gig kit of Mushkin DDR3L 1600 for $120: [url<]https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226684[/url<] Meanwhile, a 16 gig kit of DDR4... the cheapest is some ridiculous RGB-festooned Geil DDR4 2400 for $160: [url<]https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820158605[/url<]

      • Anovoca
      • 2 years ago

      Not to mention low end users can at least go with an APU and upgrade later. There is no such alternative for RAM.

      • Topinio
      • 2 years ago

      This.

      I have a spare RX 580, and can afford the rest of a new system using mid-high tier parts for Β£400 — but 64 GB DDR4 is Β£700 and I can’t even.

        • Chrispy_
        • 2 years ago

        Oh of course, you’re adding VAT too! :\

    • Duct Tape Dude
    • 2 years ago

    I think I’m due for a CPU bump in another generation or two. But I’m not convinced the additional horsepower is worth a whole platform upgrade, especially with recent RAM prices.

    IVY BRIDGE 4 LYFE

      • willmore
      • 2 years ago

      Agreed. My four year old i5-3570K at 4.2GHz has been rock stable and plenty fast. The 16GB of DDR3 are the sticking point for me with upgrading. Motherboard and processors really haven’t changed much in pricepoints.

      So, I said memory. I would have said GPU, but I got in at the very short interval last fall when some cards got back to their MSRP. Got an RX580 8GB for $249, so I’m set for GPU for a while. I don’t tend to run demanding games as I find your normal FPS games boring. The RPG and RTS games just don’t beat on the GPU as much, so I don’t feel the pressure to get anything faster–hopefully for a long time. Keep in mind I was just feeling slow on an HD7850, so that helped adjust my expectations.

      I would like more CPU, but the memory is what’s keeping me from addressing that. Until then, I’ll just wait a bit longer for videos to transcode.

        • techguy
        • 2 years ago

        You mean your *six* year old i5 3570k. Ivy Bridge launched in 2012.

          • willmore
          • 2 years ago

          But I didn’t buy mine then. I bought it just over 4 years ago. πŸ™‚

          • anotherengineer
          • 2 years ago

          Until 9 months ago I was using my AMD 955BE from when I bought it in August 2009, with my radeon HD6850, and a plextor 256GB SSD that’s going to turn 6yrs old this April.

          For everyday usage like the net and office it’s barely (humanly) noticeably faster than my new PC.

          To anyone sitting on the fence, I would say wait for ram prices and gpu prices to return to the price they were 2 years ago.

        • cpucrust
        • 2 years ago

        Double agreed. I’m on an i5-3570K which I ran at stock speeds from original purchase.

        I wanted to get an 1700/1700X/1800 or was entertaining getting the TR 1950X for a new system build, but was put off by the already higher then normal RAM prices.

        So while waiting for RAM prices to drop, I removed the IHS (delidded) on my i5-3570K and now run at a stable overclock 4.7GHz Scrapped the crappy TIM of and applied a quality thermal paste. This ‘bought’ me extra performance to extend the life of my Ivy Bridge and my DDR3 memory.

        I know it sounds crazy, but a part of me wonders if it is in Intel’s ‘best interest’ to have the current market where DDR4 RAM prices are inflated in order for them to recapture market share, or damage AMD’s market share, or some combination of both.

      • Chrispy_
      • 2 years ago

      You know what? My HTPC is Ivy and it’s still doing a fine job.

      I should probably point out that it’s undervolted and underclocked, though the fact it’s a 3770K means I’m probably [i<]Doing It Wrong[/i<]. My 60Hz TV didn't get the memo and doesn't care, though.

      • ermo
      • 2 years ago

      I’m feeling a bit like like a broken record now, but my delidded 3770k w/32GB of DDR3-2400 RAM (bought when that was still cheaper than DDR4-2400!) and an OEM RX Vega 64 bought at slightly less than 1080 prices last fall continues to serve me just fine.

      The only ‘issue’ is that my 3770k is apparently a bit of a lemon. It will run fine at 4.5@1.3V in all the benchmarks I care to throw at it for however long, but as soon as I try to game more than a few hours with it, it crashes. Yeah, yeah, 1st world problems.

      Right now it’s mildy overvolted and OCed to 4.2GHz@1.225V, which appears to be its sweet spot. Here’s hoping RAM prices drop eventually, so I can *finally* build a nice Zen+ replacement. A 4.5GHz 2800X w/32GB DDR4-3200 sounds right up my alley.

      • CScottG
      • 2 years ago

      -wow. ..Not a great lyfe expectancy, huh?

      • ronch
      • 2 years ago

      I see lots of folks saying their old systems (4-6 years old or so) are serving them just fine, and I’m no different. My FX-8350 with an HD7770 continues to work just fine and I plan to stick with it for as long as it’s working. Which begs the question : as more and more people find fewer and fewer reasons to upgrade, I expect lots of RAM to stay on the shelves, but why does it seem that demand is so high that prices are atrocious? Is there an artificial shortage or did they drastically cut production?

        • briskly
        • 2 years ago

        The demand for RAM in mobile devices has skyrocketed over the last few years. 8 GB might just be the the new norm in flagship devices now.
        Consider supply issues ranging from conveniently inconvenient fab accidents, to poor yields on new nodes what would have lowered the price.

        • BIF
        • 2 years ago

        RAM isn’t the big pain point, because 4-6 year old computers only used for gaming might need 8 GB, if they need any at all.

        The real constraint is GPU cards. Computers that are 4-6 years old often still have a 4-6 year old GPU in them and could use an upgrade. But right now GPUs are too expensive for mere mortals on a budget.

        If you’re buying or building all-new, whether it’s a laptop or desktop/workstation, the GPU is still going to be the pain point, in cost, waiting lead-time, and availability.

        • Pancake
        • 2 years ago

        My current system is “fine” only in the sense I can’t afford a new one with current RAM prices. My GTX970 is “fine” only because I haven’t gamed in a while. Perhaps not until the next Grand Theft Auto.

        40-50% single thread performance increase with a new 8700K would be more than appreciated as would larger memory capacity. So, it’s still supply/demand. I’m pushed out of the market at the moment.

      • Ifalna
      • 2 years ago

      Pretty much this.

      Ivy 3570K @ 4.6K + 1070 (which I snagged 1.5 years ago before the crypto craze) is still plenty, esp since I only have a 1080p Monitor anyway.

      So for now, what is missing is the actual NEED for more horespower.

      • Pancake
      • 2 years ago

      Ivy Bridge 3570 represent! The CPU is plenty quick for me but RAM is maxed at 32GB. I’d really like 128GB in my next upgrade but wallet can’t take the damage from today’s memory pricing.

        • Ifalna
        • 2 years ago

        I have a puny 16GB and no way to tax it ( I did manage it with 8 though πŸ˜€ )

    • kurazarrh
    • 2 years ago

    Honestly, the thing standing between me and a new PC is that my current one hasn’t died yet, and even though it’s originally a build from 2011, the core components (Gigabyte Z68 mobo, Core i5-2500k @ 4.5Ghz, 16GB RAM) still keep up with more current processors, and I’ve gotten by just by upgrading the storage and graphics card. It’s the oldest PC in my house, but still the fastest. It’ll be hard to let go when something does finally fail.

      • Walkintarget
      • 2 years ago

      Same situation here – Gigabyte Z68 board with that wonderful 2500K, and it got an upgrade to the GPU (Powercolor 290X) that runs the older games I play (TF2, CoH 2) just fine, so no need to upgrade other than general hardware envy as everyone else puts together their builds.

      My problem was building a second rig on the cheap 2 years ago and investing the upgrade money from my main rig into building the budget second rig (FX 8300, MSI 970, 7970 4GB). Had I saved for another year and ignored building that second rig, I could have upgraded my main rig before all this crypto nonsense hit. I’m too obsessed with redundancy and HAD to have a backup rig πŸ™

    • TwistedKestrel
    • 2 years ago

    I’m pretty much just waiting for a game that will finally make my current system feel slow. Maybe Far Cry 5? Maybe Titanfall 3, if releases with minimal corruption from EA?

    Hopefully it comes around the same time as we recover from GPU scarcity, otherwise I’m in trouble

      • EzioAs
      • 2 years ago

      Don’t know what kind of setup you have but 4K settings (even 1440p sometimes) with recent games can make your PC crawl. I heard Kingdom Come Deliverance is pretty demanding too, so maybe try that and decide whether the wait is over or not πŸ™‚

        • Kretschmer
        • 2 years ago

        3440×1440 can knock a 1080Ti down to “high” settings in some games. 4K gaming is just plain a mistake with today’s hardware.

      • superjawes
      • 2 years ago

      [quote<]Maybe Titanfall 3, if releases with minimal corruption from EA?[/quote<]Ho boy...you're probably going to be disappointed, too. I mean they let that one release in the same breath as Battlefield One (another big EA release), and they only acquired Respawn after killing Visceral. The Titanfall games were both good in different ways, but it feels like Respawn just got put on Death Row.

    • EzioAs
    • 2 years ago

    I figure it’s high time I upgrade my CPU, motherboard and RAM to Coffee Lake. Planned to do the upgrade earlier this year but money’s a little tight after I moved to a new apartment. Maybe it’s for the best though, I was waiting to see how the next Ryzen CPUs fare against current gen.

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