A perfect slice of pie has **two **sides equal to the length of the pie's radius. Wait, where was I going with this?

**PC hardware and computing**

- Logitech G305 Lightspeed wireless gaming mouse review @ PC Perspective
- ASRock Phantom Gaming Radeon RX580 8G OC review @ Guru3D
- GT 1030 DDR4 vs. GDDR5 benchmark @ Gamers Nexus
- Seasonic FOCUS PLUS Platinum 850W PSU review @ HardOCP
- NETGEAR Orbi Mesh router with cable modem review @ HotHardware
- Sneak Peek – Phison E12 high-performance SSD controller @ Legit Reviews
- SteelSeries Rival 600 review @ TechPowerUp
- BenQ Zowie XL2546 e-sports monitor review @ ThinkComputers
- The Huawei MateBook X Pro review @ AnandTech

**Games, culture, and VR**

- Sony exec “confident” PS4 cross-console play “solution” is coming @ Ars Technica
- A few updates later,
*Surviving Mars*is quietly a much better game @ Rock Paper Shotgun *Kingdom Come: Deliverance*gives you tapeworms @ Quarter To Three- Whale made from plastic waste leaps out of canal @ New Atlas

**Hacks, gadgets and crypto-jinks**

- Pool ball return system chalked up to ingenuity @ HackADay
- Is this triple-screen SmartDesk the answer to your “Minority Report” fantasies? @ New Atlas
- A different use for microwave oven: melting aluminum @ HackADay

**Science, technology, and space news**

- Webb Space Telescope pushed back again, won't launch until 2021 @ Ars Technica (gah!)
- Ocean spray on Saturn moon contains crucial constituents for life @ Slashdot
- Facebook patent imagines triggering your phone's mic when a hidden signal plays on TV @ Slashdot

**Cheese, memes, and shiny things**

- Is America ready to love cottage cheese again? @ nytimes.com
- Cooler Master MasterCase H500M review – addressable RGB! @ KitGuru

Tau in Hindi means Uncle …

In other news-Charlie says Intel will never get 10nm working………..

[url<]https://www.semiaccurate.com/2018/06/29/intels-firing-of-ceo-brian-krzanich-is-a-cover-for-deeper-problems/[/url<]

Wow, Charlie copy-n-pasted from half a dozen posts made over a week ago on TR and called it a story!

The sad bit reading-

“On the credibility front the problem is simple, Intel has none. The problems that started over three years ago like 14nm yields, and ended up with the 10nm fiasco have been spun well past the breaking point. There is no message that Intel sends anymore that you can take at face value, and that is by design. No member of the press SemiAccurate talks to believes a word Intel says until they prove it unquestionably, and even then they usually verify it independently.”

Sad,but this is the Intel we know today………………

Lord, that DDR4 GT 1030 is a [i<]dog[/i<]. Why couldn't they just call it the GT 1020? At around 45% the performance of a proper 1030, it's criminal to misrepresent it on the open market.

And just like that I’m having cottage cheese and tooter fish salad for dinner. I circled the pie section for minutes deciding if my waistline could tolerate a pie and decided not.

Has anyone else noticed that not a single comment posted so far make any mention of the articles referenced in the Shortbread?

It is Pi for the course Tau a bunch of neck-beards will just nerd out. Mu experience tells me you might as well wave a slab of steak at a dog.

uni-mitation

Tau Day? For the Greater Good?

Sorry, too much Warhammer 40k in my life…over 7000 points of Tau that are collecting way too much dust. 😀

Absolutely heretical…….

[url=https://i.imgur.com/YsEt7na.jpg<]But that's heresy![/url<]

Nah! I also have about 8000 points in Dark Angels, 4000 points of Blood Angles, 4000 points of Imperial Guard, and a pair of Imperial Knights to back them up.

A’UNCH OF PUNY UMIES TO SMASH AND TEAR! WHER ARE DA BOYZ AND BOSS?! WARRGGG!!!!

Speaking of heresy 😉

This brings to my attention a weird though experiment about the multi-verse hypothesis (it is not a theory, it is educated conjecture, no known way to falsify this hypothesis has been devised).

1- Would all mathematical theorems, laws, and everything related to math be different? For example, could there be a universe where Pi isn’t 3.14…..?

2- My take is that it would be the same across all universes.

3- Now, gravitational constant, and other constants may be different, but the workings of the different universes would still be the same, the theory of general relativity must still be the same for example.

So, is Pi really 3.14…. in all other universes if we assume for them to exist?

uni-mitation

It is very difficult if not impossible to imagine a universe where π != ~3.14. Pi is a universal constant; it’s not even really a value but simply a descriptor of the natural shape of perfect circles. It’s for that reason that π is one of the values we use to attempt to demonstrate to possible alien life that we are intelligent and reasonably developed.

Of course, I’ve always thought it’s kind of dumb that we would need to do that because if we’re encountering an intelligent alien race they’re very clearly going to have members who are intelligent enough themselves to recognize that we’ve created all sorts of massive artificial structures and so on. That’s a topic for another discussion entirely though.

In MY universe, Pi is pecan–with whipped cream and vanilla ice cream. There’s a formula I can solve every day.

Pumpkin, with warm pecan liqueur on top

Pi is the same wherever Euclidean geometry holds true (ie, wherever a circle is always a circle and a straight line is always a straight line, etc). If a universe has space warped in some appreciable way, then maybe that won’t quite be the case.

The head-scratcher in this is that you are making the assumption that our constants are the “correct” one. What if Euclidean geometry itself is just another of the multiple combinations & permutations that form the attributes of all of the different universes?

So we come down at the road that even the mechanism and basic rules of these universes spring forth from a common immutable source, or the mechanism itself is part of the “different” universes.

Is 1+1=2 in all universes?

uni-mitation

Stop talking crap and learn some maths. Then maybe you’ll stop thinking rubbish like this.

You are not here to talk about 1.79%?

I do thank you for your valuable contributions.

uni-mitation

KHHHAAAAAAAAANNNN!!!!!

As in Khan Academy. Go there and learn what maths is. Go and apply yourself there the way you didn’t have the aptitude and attitude when you were at school. What we can say for certain about this universe is there is at least one woefully maths illiterate person in it calling themselves:

uni-mitation

Thank you for your valuable contributions in the field of maths. The world would surely miss you if anything was to happen to you. Wishing you health and a very long life. Keep up the work!

uni-mitation

My contributions to the field of maths isn’t the subject for discussion. It’s about your first post which is – to a mathematician – a bit like someone going “Ah gone done poop muh pants!” and then proceeding to make figurines out of said product and proudly showing them to everyone. It’s an unsavoury and unedifying spectacle.

Maths is a language. You are free to construct your own “alternative maths” where 1+1=1.79% or Pi = 3.14. If your maths helps you understand and solve problems in your world then good for you. If you want to learn how everybody else understands maths then… KHHHHAAAAAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!

[url<]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spacetime_dimensionality.svg[/url<] Pi wouldn't be applicable in any universe with one spatial dimension, for example. I'm sure there are other possible universe that we (or at least I, even that chart is over my head) can't even imagine where those constants would be different or inapplicable.

Math is mostly universal abstract fun, so 1+1 would be always 2, no matter the physics of the multiverse.

Maybe if intelligent beings and everything else in their world be completely uncountable amorphous thingy, they might not decide to use integers for their math and base it on something else. Surely, if their math is compatible with ours they would be able to use their axioms to reach our 1+1=2 after possibly long, complicated and tedious derivation. It just wouldn’t be “obvious” for them. Though honestly I cannot imagine math that wasn’t mostly based on (non-negative) integers.

Pi would not be 3.14 if your “natural” spacetime metric would be say L1 instead of L2 – it wouldn’t be relevant and therefore not “invented”: Circles (and spheres etc) would be irrelevant with that metric. Though if their mathematicians decide to play around with L2 metric, they would likely discover pi-like constant although perhaps as a combination of several other constants.

But yeah, if you assume other universe is kind of similar to ours, there is no reason any math would be meaningfully different.

I tend to generally agree with you. Very thoughtful, thank you for taking the time for this take.

+1

uni-mitation

I believe that the decimal system is specific to our universe. To sound presidential, some people say that it’s derived from the number of fingers.

The number (PI) has this value in a decimal system, and any other universe using this mathematical representation will always have the same value for this constant. I don’t believe the shapes would/could be different in another universe, but rather the way they are constructed and interpreted by the tools available in that universe. If you look at different number bases

[url<]http://turner.faculty.swau.edu/mathematics/materialslibrary/pi/pibases.html[/url<] you can see that the representation we have is only limited by our mathematical rules. Different rules give you different values.

+1.

uni-mitation

I’ll take the piece on the right. 🙂

Who ever heard of a nice slice of Tau?

Pi forever.

Tau is superior! Even if you take half I still get the whole Pi.

Indeed. The universe is telling us “eat more [s<]Pi[/s<] pie", and I for one intend to listen.

Long live Pi! Down with the monstrosity of Tau and its ilk!

uni-mitation

[quote<]A perfect slice of pie has two sides equal to the length of the pie's radius. Wait, where was I going with this?[/quote<] You were hoping that a slice of Tau would be twice as much pie to eat?

[quote<]by Colton Westrate — 3:14 PM on June 28, 2018[/quote<] I see what you did there.

I wish I could take credit, but that was probably Bruno.

This joke will be funny in 3185.

Am I missing something/ or do you mean 3141?

Tau is 6.283185…. So, on 6/28 in the year 3185….my explanation of the joke will still not be funny.

[quote<]Is America ready to love cottage cheese again[/quote<] Tau day says [s<]Mooooo[/s<] Mu.

[If your entire post is long enough that I have to scroll on a 4K monitor at 1x it’s probably too long period. – JK]

[Was it really too long, or is this a secret cry for a 2990X TR comments database upgrade?]

But if you want short:

I have exactly [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill<]6[/url<] problems and Tau day ain't one of them!

You are being [s<]irrational[/s<] [b<] rationally wrong [/b<] as expected! uni-mitation

I think the joke could have been made without the spam…

I respectfully disagree. That is not spam, it is Nature’s art; one of the most beautiful underpinnings of this world and its understanding. I consider it the greatest honor to those giants before us that made these findings so that we may continue with our progress of better understanding of this world.

uni-mitation

You’re one of those people who downloads the text file containing only a whacking huge prime number whenever the next biggest prime is found, aren’t you?

I admit that I don’t do that, but if I did, I would do it proudly.

“An unexamined life is not worth living.”

Socrates

I leave you with that.

uni-mitation

I admit I did that once, many years ago now. My text editor said(more or less) “WTF are you doing?”. My response was “Not sure. Just curious, I guess”.

I remember in my discrete math class when we arrived at Georg Cantor’s [url=http://www.storyofmathematics.com/19th_cantor.html<] set theory [/url<]. Imagine that unfathomable big ass number in the text editor being just a smaller set of an even gargantuan of magnitudes for irrational numbers. The countable and uncountable infinities. That long number line is shock-full of rubbish numbers like my professor used to say. uni-mitation

In fact, the rubbish far outweighs the others. There’s an infinite number of numbers between any two numbers on that line.

Yep. It is quite hard to explain this to other people that have no formal training on this. I have yet had a successful convert to this so I just end throwing the book at them as a last resort :D.

uni-mitation

I’ve never downloaded one of those, but I did help discover them.

I would upvote Jeff’s edit if I could…

aww man, what’d I miss?

All I did was share a small amount of information from [url=http://onemillionpi.weebly.com/tau.html<]here[/url<].

Sounds like you had it coming, then. 😆

He is a true Pitriot and took on Tau foes of irrationality. His tireless efforts will not go in vain. He is conferred the title of “The Irrational, defender of Pi, and the Perfect Circle.” (The Irrational, short title)

uni-mitation

I’m pretty sure you have more than 6 problems. 🙂

Seen this at edit 2 by Kampman, for some reason this came to mind 2:26 to 2:32

[url<]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCOrTvkOtJ0[/url<]

Raise your hand if you thought JK was “just kidding” and not Jeff Kampman’s initials.

Really? just me?

I did too. Not sure why it was edited though? Is TR tight on server bandwidth?

My understanding is that it was basically spam, requiring multi-screen-height scrolling for most people.

It was exactly that. And judging by Chucky’s links, it was originally 1 billion digits of Tau.