Nvidia’s RTX finds its way into Cyberpunk 2077 and other titles at E3 2019

As they say, “there are no bad products, just bad prices.” So it goes when comparing graphics cards, of course, and one big variable in the value of Nvidia’s GeForce RTX series is those cards’ namesake feature: RTX. At this time, it’s easy to say that RTX support doesn’t hold a lot of value for prospective purchasers, but that looks to be changing. At E3, a number of companies announced that their upcoming games would ship with support for Nvidia’s ray-tracing technology.

Surely the biggest announcement, and probably the most exciting one for a majority of gerbils, comes from CD Projekt Red. That’s right—not only will Cyberpunk 2077 have Keanu Reeves in a major role as Johnny Silverhand, but it will also use RTX for reflections and some lighting effects. CDPR’s previous games may not have been graphical showcases, but The Witcher III and its Nvidia Gameworks-powered particle, cloth, and hair effects are pretty stunning. Along those lines, Cyberpunk 2077 looks to be appropriately riding the bleeding edge of graphics tech.

Another title I’ve been eagerly anticipating since it was revealed at E3 last year is Remedy Entertainment’s Control. The creators of Max PayneAlan Wake, and Quantum Break are making a new third-person shooter title with a stark, geometric visual style that’s heavy on high-contrast lighting. RTX seems like a perfect fit for the game, although it seems the tech is primarily being used, once again, for reflections.

Ubisoft unveiled the third game in its Watch Dogs series at E3 just yesterday, hyping everyone with the promise of playing as their grandma. Jokes aside, while it flew under the radar somewhat, Watch Dogs 2 was a visual feast, and we used it for benchmarks for a while. Whatever your feelings about the heavy political message within, Watch Dogs Legion looks even more gorgeous, and some of that graphical polish surely comes from its just-announced support for GeForce RTX. Ubisoft hasn’t said specifically what the game will use ray-tracing for, though.

Extant RTX games Previous RTX
game announcements
New RTX game
announcements
Assetto Corsa Competizione Atomic Heart Control
Battlefield V Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Cyberpunk 2077
Metro: Exodus Dragon Hound Legend of Sword & Fairy 7
Quake II RTX Enlisted VtM: Bloodlines 2
Shadow of the Tomb Raider Justice (China MMO) Watch Dogs: Legion
Stay in the Light Mechwarrior V Mercenaries Wolfenstein: Youngblood

Other big games you may have heard of that are gaining RTX support include the rebooted Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, gothic immersive sim Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines 2, tough girls co-op FPS Wolfenstein: Youngblood, and the seventh entry in long-running Taiwanese RPG series The Legend of Sword and Fairy.

It will be interesting to see if any of these games have ray-tracing in any form at all in their console iterations. While Sony was cagey about the topic of real-time RT when talking about the PlayStation 5 (merely stating that the console would “support ray-tracing”), Microsoft explicitly says that its new Project Scarlett machine will have “hardware-accelerated ray-tracing.”

Meanwhile, AMD has already confirmed that its upcoming Radeon RX 5700 series GPUs, which share the same RDNA graphics architecture as the two aforementioned upcoming game consoles, would not have any specific hardware acceleration for real-time ray-tracing. AMD CEO Lisa Su said that that feature is planned for the “next generation.”

This writer finds himself in eager anticipation of the new games and a strong desire to see them as they were meant to be played, yet lacking the apparently-requisite GeForce RTX graphics card. Most likely, players with Pascal-powered GeForces will be able to enable RTX in these games to wreck our framerate and see what we’re otherwise missing out on. Personally, I’m hoping that before these new games are out, Nvidia has some next-generation hardware to sell us with improved performance-per-dollar—especially for RTX.

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HisDivineOrder
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If I have to choose between RTX at 1080p or 4k at Ultra Settings without RTX, I choose 4k at Ultra without RTX. I’m sure Ray Tracing is the future, but it can’t be much of a future while it’s only on one brand of cards and not even all of them being sold as modern.

When nVidia released the 16xx series, they prevented RTX from being anything required for at least another couple of generations. It’s a shame, but it is what it is.

Rakhmaninov3
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Rakhmaninov3

I think I’ll just overclock my XPert 2000 Pro

Concupiscence
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Concupiscence

I still – STILL – feel a little bad for people who bought a Rage Fury MAXX.

DPete27
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DPete27

I love the rainbow cloud when you kill people. A step up from the PhysX confetti.

auxy
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auxy

Why didn’t you put links on the new RTX game announcements? What if I’ve never heard of any of those games? ( ̄~ ̄;)

Srsly_Bro
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Srsly_Bro

Auxy, I value your posts and think of you as a reasonable person. If you say you bought RTX, my opinion might change a little, bro.

auxy
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auxy

I didn’t. I am waiting on next-gen. Same as Geforce3, you know? First-gen is a joke. (´・ω・`)

sweatshopking
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sweatshopking

So now we know that the new consoles aren’t using rdna gpus, instead they’re using the next generation of gpus.

auxy
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auxy

Lisa Su, Sony, and MS all said “Navi” specifically, by name. ┐(‘~`;)┌ idk.

Voldenuit
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Voldenuit

More likely using CUs to accelerate ray tracing.

A 1660 does ray tracing faster than a 1070 or 1080, even though it doesn’t have RT cores.

Ninjitsu
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Ninjitsu

Could also be custom fixed function hardware they made specifically for the consoles.

psuedonymous
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psuedonymous

Almost certainly. Many ‘Vega’ features made their debut in the semi-custom ‘Polaris’ chips used in the consoles, like packed math.

[+Duracell-]
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[+Duracell-]

The RTX does it with its RT cores, so it would make sense for AMD to do something similar with its ray tracing implementation.

sweatshopking
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sweatshopking

So are we guessing it’s Navi cores mixed with another piece of hardware specifically for Ray tracing that desktop Navi chips don’t get?

[+Duracell-]
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[+Duracell-]

My guess is that desktop Navi doesn’t get it right now, but the next iteration does. But that’s pulling it out of my butt…don’t quote me lol

K-L-Waster
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K-L-Waster

[quote<]...don't quote me lol[/quote<] Now you've asked for it....

Spunjji
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Spunjji

That’d be my bet, too. I don’t think AMD were expecting this pivot from Nvidia, and I anticipate it being a while before they have an equivalent response.

Ninjitsu
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Ninjitsu

Yup.

K-L-Waster
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K-L-Waster

One *possibility* (warning: dangerous levels of unsubstantiated speculation incoming) is the 5700 and 5700XT aren’t the full-fat Navi chip, and that RT features are in there but disabled for the first products.

If this is true, the consoles get semi-custom chips with the hardware enabled. Presumably PC add-in cards would come with later editions of the chip.

(And yes, there are some colossal “If’s” in all that….)

techguy
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I’ve seen the console makers reference “hardware ray-tracing” for next-gen consoles on several occasions. It is well known these consoles are using Navi-derived graphics. It is quite likely that at least some Navi parts will have dedicated ray-tracing hardware. Whether or not these parts will make it to market outside of the upcoming consoles is questionable. Since Navi is launching on the desktop soon, but still perhaps ~18 months away in console form, AMD may take some time to refine the ray-tracing performance of the console parts. It’s also possible that this ray-tracing hardware either doesn’t exist, or is simply… Read more »

Ninjitsu
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Ninjitsu

Halo Infinite will apparently use ray tracing. I wonder what that means on the PC though – will RDNA2 cards run it better vs Nvidia (assuming an equivalent amount of resources per $) or will the nature of the hardware’s implementation make no/little difference?

Laykun
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Laykun

If I had to guess Halo Infinite will use DXR on xbox which would mean it’d use DXR on on PC. Subsequently this would mean that AMD would have to release a DXR capable driver for their desktop hardware. This would also mean it should just work on nvidia cards as well. That seems like the most logical route to me.

Concupiscence
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Concupiscence

Is raytracing neat? Sure. Is it worth $700 to me for a card that can reliably manage 1440p60 with it enabled? Nah. I’ll get by with my Vega 56.

Ninjitsu
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Ninjitsu

I was considering pulling the trigger on a 1660 Ti within this month, but decided to wait for more news on Navi from E3. Now i’m a bit confused, there are some rumours about Nvidia launching a refresh of the 2060, 2070 and 2080 at $100 less.

Combined with the revelation that Halo Infinite will use ray tracing, i’m actually considering hanging on to my GTX 670 until it fails or Halo Infinite launches and there’s greater clarity on what the ray tracing scene will look like then.

Aforementioned rumour: [url<]https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/rumor-nvidia-super-is-a-refreshed-geforce-rtx-2060-(249)2070-(399)2080-(599).html[/url<]

Concupiscence
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Concupiscence

Nvidia’s market segmentation has been amped up to a level that’s obnoxious. If AMD’s desktop GPU lineup is a headache, Nvidia’s is a migraine. For comparison’s sake: AMD – Radeon VII, RX 5700 XT, RX 5700, RX 590, 580, 570, 560, 550. Nvidia – RTX 2080 Ti SUPER, RTX 2080 Ti, RTX 2080 SUPER, RTX 2080, RTX 2070 SUPER, RTX 2070, RTX 2060 SUPER, RTX 2060, GTX 1660 Ti, GTX 1660, GTX 1650. I’ll keep one beady eye open for Halo Infinite, but Doom Eternal’s the only PC game I’m really looking forward to this year, and it doesn’t support… Read more »

Pancake
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Pancake

Seems pretty straightforward to me. The only 2 segments are RTX and GTX. If you can’t afford a RTX get a GTX. If you can afford a RTX get the most expensive one you can. Performance will scale with price but a RTX 2060 will do everything a RTX 2080 Ti SUPER can albeit more slowly. With finer granularity in pricing due to more models it actually makes it easier to buy what you can afford. A smart, reasonable play by big N.

Srsly_Bro
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Srsly_Bro

Yeah but.. NGREEEEEDIA, BRO

Concupiscence
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Concupiscence

There are more segments than the names indicate. On AMD’s side it breaks down something like: Radeon VII: 4K gaming / affordable scientific computing / OpenCL workhorse RX 5700 (XT): 1440p gaming RX 590, 580, 570: 1080p gaming RX 560, 550: low cost, power-efficient You can make the argument that Nvidia’s breaks down in a broadly similar way, with an extra rung for the 2080 Ti (and its Super edition) at the very top. But adding a Super designation not only makes it sound like buying the non-Super edition is settling for less, but also clutters the lineup with extra… Read more »

Spunjji
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This looks more like a post-hoc rationalization than an honest assessment of their lineup. For instance, when you say “if you can afford a RTX get the most expensive one you can” you’re assuming that all of the options are equally legitimate. In reality it’s debatable whether the 2060 makes any sense as an RTX card, while the 2070 is marginal; both present a significant regression in capability from the previous generation when their headline features are activated. While you’re *technically* right that a 2060 can do what the 2080Ti does “albeit more slowly”, you’re skirting past the point that… Read more »

Pancake
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Pancake

You can ignore particular features if it helps you rationalise your personal choices. But why are you complaining about choice for other people? I’m not a twitch gamer and am fairly careful with my money and buy tech as much for exploring new technology as a geek than raw gaming capability. To me, the RTX 2060 is very exciting. The good folks at Tom’s have reviewed the full suite of RTX cards and provided the following performance summary (relative performance/current best price): Titan RTX 100/$2500 RTX 2080Ti 98.4/$1280 RTX 2080 96.1/$1300 RTX 2070 87.2/$677 RTX 2060 77.6/$360 Well, these are… Read more »

Spunjji
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Spunjji

I haven’t purchased a graphics card for 3 years, so this doesn’t have anything to do with my personal choices. It would have helped to get more context before attempting a pop-psychology rebuttal of my post. I was not “complaining about choice for other people”, being “absolutist”, or suggesting we all “live like kings” either. Those are all gross misrepresentations of my actual point – that not all of the choices are meaningful, and that they *took away* a bunch of choices by forcing RTX top-to-bottom before the performance was there to justify that move. Re: “what’s not to like?”… Read more »

Pancake
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Pancake

I’m as much a pop-psychologist as anyone else. But perhaps your mental problem lies a bit deeper. Please explain how you think NVidia (or NGREEEEEDIA if you prefer) “took away” choices by providing extra features that consumers might actually enjoy playing with? If we look at the current Steam Hardware Survey – perhaps the most highly esteemed and broad based analysis of what video cards gamers are currently using (as opposed to coin minerz) we find the following usage figures: RX 580 (AMD’s most popular card): 1.25% RTX 2070: 0.95% RTX 2060: 0.68% RTX 2080: 0.64% RX 480: 0.58% So,… Read more »

Gastec
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Gastec

If you can be Batman, be Batman.

ronch
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ronch

They’re pretty but I think I’m even fine with DX9-level graphics.

TEAMSWITCHER
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TEAMSWITCHER

Perhaps.. But now that I have an RTX 2080, it basically means that every GPU AMD brings to market without RT … I can safely ignore. AMD is irrelevant to me until they modernize.

Concupiscence
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Concupiscence

If you use a 2080, I don’t know why you’d be looking elsewhere anyway. Outside of the “you want HOW much?” 2080 Ti and the down payment on a nice used car that is the Titan RTX, you’ve got nowhere else to go.

Spunjji
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Spunjji

I know quite a few people who have never paid more for a used car than you’d have to pay to get hold of a Titan RTX.

Most of them get more years of use from those cars than anyone will ever get from a Titan.

Pancake
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Pancake

How is that even a relevant anecdote? Sure, there are lots of poor people out there driving old beaters. For them, there’s integrated graphics to fill their needs or the second hand graphics card market. But I’m pretty sure all of them would admit to be able to have the choice to buy a clapped-out 20 year old BMW or Ford would have at one point required someone to have purchased the new product at retail price. Most of these people I would consider bums but some, perhaps, are nice people. Not really relevant to a discussion of current technology.

Spunjji
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Spunjji

My comment is relevant only to the comment it was replying to. The context is pretty clear to me and, presumably, the 5 upvoters.

At this stage I’m pretty sure you’re trolling, mostly because you have now expressed several self-contradictory positions, but specifically because of this egregiously judgmental bullshit:
“Most of these people I would consider bums but some, perhaps, are nice people.”

In response, I quote you back to yourself:
“We can’t all afford to live like kings and be absolutist in our choices.”

Pancake
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Pancake

Do you… drive a $1000 car? o_O

The problem with old clunkers is that they cost more in the long run due to the need for repairs than cars in good mechanical condition. You end up in a “poverty trap” where you have to keep throwing money at transport for reasonable needs like getting to work or shopping. But if you’re making just enough money just to stay financially afloat buying, say, a modest $10k on a newer reliable car seems like an impossible pipe dream.

Concupiscence
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Concupiscence

Way to bury the needle on the troll-o-meter by riffing on Donald Trump’s “They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime, they’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people” quote to describe people who can’t or don’t want to buy high priced graphics cards. You’re beneath rebuttal, and may be beneath my contempt.

Spunjji
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Spunjji

I noticed the Trumpiness of it, but rarely point such things out because trolls treat it like a variant of Godwin’s law…

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