New version of Plus coming for Windows XP

Microsoft is readying a new addition to its Plus family of software that will bring expanded multimedia capabilities to owners of Windows XP:

The technology, called Microsoft Plus Digital Media Edition for Windows XP and part of the Microsoft Plus product line, is designed to give users of standard PCs more features for editing and playing with media files, without turning to entertainment-friendly Apple iMacs or upgrading to more expensive systems like Microsoft’s own Media Center PC.

The new multimedia software isn’t free, nor is it being bundled with Windows XP. Microsoft Plus Digital Media Edition will only be available as a download from Microsoft, and will sell for under $20.

Among mainstream users, this new version of Plus should be popular, especially if media editing catches on with Joe Sixpack. If Microsoft gives mainstream markets basic media editing software at a nominal price, could we be looking at the home PC’s next killer app?

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    • Anonymous
    • 17 years ago

    Even when you’re going to die before you retire, like many of us.

    • Anonymous
    • 17 years ago

    No one has a right to social security, either. But they take your earnings all the same.

    • Anonymous
    • 17 years ago

    Poster #18 here again (? I see I got lumped in with a bunch of other MS shareholders and MS employees who apparently lurk here – laff.. GAWD ALMIGHTY what a paranoid group!).

    I really think this is much ado about nothing… when you buy and install software (from anyone) you agree to the EULA or you don’t. I mean… be real people… MS isn’t the government… they are company out to make profit… they don’t owe you anything except what is agreed to in the EULA.

    I’ve been on the TechReport forum for a while… and you see this pervasive attitude as if Windows and components are like… social security… and you have some entitled rights to it or something…

    REMEMBER… Windows et al is a consumer product created by MS to create PROFIT… keep you eye on the ball folks… if you don’t like it.. .go run linux (and whine to them instead).

    • Anonymous
    • 17 years ago

    [quote]For those who say that MS couldn’t or wouldn’t do that, I suggest you read the EULA very closely. Currently, the EULA says you cannot benchmark Windows without their permission (not hardware benchmarks, but benchmarks of the OS itself). Sound a little invasive? [/quote]

    That’s why it’s a EULA, and not a law, and that’s why they all come with buttons that says disagree. This is about the 10th time I’ve told that to people. Sheesh.

    • Anonymous
    • 17 years ago

    I don’t think DRM would be so bad… if they could just allow me to manage my “rights” like I do with my physical media. As soon as I can lend a DRM novel or album to a friend just like a normal novel or album then I’ll use a DRM product (all talk of sw product licensing aside).

    • RX78
    • 17 years ago

    OHHH no I must work for MS or own company stock too! ‘Cause I have Win XP and like it.

    • Anonymous
    • 17 years ago

    By AG#15:

    [q]If I encode something, MS has absolutely no right to tell me how I can use it, when I can use it, or keep information about what I encoded. [/q]

    Just to make it crystal-clear: I totally agree. I never said (or intended) anything contrary.

    I think WMP is definitely going too far.

    I liken a DRMed Plus Installer to Stardock’s ObjectDesktop Installer. Except hopefully simpler. If ObjectDesktop started tracking the icons on my desktop, or PlusXP started setting copyright flags on my home videos, I’d have a problem though.

    …and if you want PlusXP to PVR for you… probably not a good bet for “less than $20”. Even if it did, if it went the way of MCE, I’d avoid it.

    • Thresher
    • 17 years ago

    I want to clarify something:

    WMP 8 has DRM built in.

    By default, if you encode something in WMP, DRM is inserted into your file. You can turn it off easily and it’s very straightforward.

    However, MS has threatened on several occasions to make this NON-optional. Only public outcry has kept them from using it full time.

    If I encode something, MS has absolutely no right to tell me how I can use it, when I can use it, or keep information about what I encoded.

    If MS were to make this a full time component of their MP software, without the option of turning it off, you could be in violation of the DMCA if you use tools to work around it.

    It would also be interesting to see if the EULA would be broadened to make ANY software that allows open encoding (non-DRM encoding) a violation of the agreement. It could be done very easily, making any software that encodes without DRM a violation. This would limit your choices immensely. After all, if they shipped a Media PC and left DRM as mandatory, why would anyone in their right mind use the MS software to encode stuff? There would be pressure to make sure you couldn’t use any non-DRM software.

    For those who say that MS couldn’t or wouldn’t do that, I suggest you read the EULA very closely. Currently, the EULA says you cannot benchmark Windows without their permission (not hardware benchmarks, but benchmarks of the OS itself). Sound a little invasive?

    • Anonymous
    • 17 years ago

    [q]For a self-professed developer, you’re remarably ignorant about how referrers work.[/q]

    And you’re remarkably ignorant about how add tracking software works.

    Obviously my statement stretched the truth, you do indeed need to be forwarded (unless tracked by advertisers), but how uncommon is that on BBS?

    BTW, thanks for ignoring the entire point of the post. Isn’t FUD grand?

    [q]or at the very least someone with an ulterior motive[/q]

    To correct misinformation? If everyone piled on an AMD post about CPUIDs, and how this is evil because AMD is trying to spy on you, I’d be right there too. Own it. Most of the posts in this thread are from uninformed ppl running around like chickens with their heads cut off. If XP-Plus is distributed by DRM, where’s the legitimate privacy concern? Where’s the beef in all this anti-MS FUD?

    [q] ‘honest people have nothing to hide’ BULLSH!T.[/q]

    Look, I didn’t say that, so next time try reading. My whole stance was on SOFTWARE LISENCE VALIDATION. Idiot. Not about pirating MP3s, Movies, or what have you.

    Perhaps I made a poor assumption in thinking most people would welcome an enhanced MovieMaker not because they were too stupid to figure out how to re-encode caps in VDub, but because they wanted to capture & burn home videos (obviously the target market), but that’s no excuse for throwing such tantrums about DRM, MP3s, and TEH WAR ON TERRAR!

    [q]The important point is: Who gave MS the right to play God? Who gave MS permission to poke into my stuff?[/q]

    The point I never argued dipshit. MS has the right to attach license validation to their own products. Nothing more or less. What do you think the Manual Checks in Ultima7 were? Or SafeDisk? Or DiskLabel checks? Give me WPA & simple license validation over SafeDisk anyday.

    Now if the XP Plus Pack were any more invasive, and catalogued all your MS software, or other software, or media, that would be a different story, but as far as we know so far, it doesn’t, so arguing the point is a fool’s game.

    [q]It keeps you from handing your Justin Timberlake CD out, and that’s AOK by me.[/q]

    So you’re MORE OF A DRM SUPPORTER than I, but I’m the bad guy? Hey, IMO, you download/purchase a CD online from RealOne or whatever, you should be able to play the stupid thing in your car, but you disagree… fine. All I’m saying is a DRM distributed installer is not such a BFD, and you flip out.

    Lame…

    [q]I just don’t like people rifling through my stuff to make sure I don’t have any MP3s. [/q]

    If you think I ever condoned any such thing you need to take some remedial classes on reading comprehension.

    Let me lay out the post that got your collective panties in such a wad:

    [q]1> If the PlusMSI is DRMed, so what? It doesn’t matter unless you wanted to install it to multiple boxes, which isn’t legal BTW. So it’s just license enforcement.[/q]

    License Enforcement. 1 license per computer. Same for WinXP. So the same situation… whatever happened to all the WPA whiners? Oh, that’s right, they were smacked down like the jobless, whiney, 14yo bitches they are. So what’s the deal ppl? Still a little sore about WPA?

    [q]2> AFAICT it’s described as being a stripped down version of Ulead VideoStudio, or an enhanced version of MS MovieMaker, however you look at it. So DRM on your own content, captured or otherwise, is a non-issue.[/q]

    Re-read the last sentence. It’s not because you’re not stealing I said that. It’s because no where did I mention PVR capabilities and copyright flags. If I’m creating VCD’s of Xmas, why should I care about DRMs? I’ve never burned a copyrighted movie. I should dare to think that Plus isn’t marketed at people who do.

    Now if it were marketed as a PVR, I would be concerned, and that’s one of the reasons I wouldn’t touch a MCE box. What’s the point of spending $1500+ on something if it’s functionality can be taken away by the TV stations down the line?

    I didn’t mention PVRs until now though. That’s what you get for assuming.

    As far as my ulterior motive, it’s all right there in the first post.

    [q]Decent capture software, with a pretty interface, that costs a fifth what the retail software does, but without some of the more advanced transitions or encoders…[/q]

    That’s all I want, and if that’s all it does, I won’t be dissapointed. Nobody else can come close to the same for $20. If you want to believe I posted just because I hope MS inserts a trojan to scan your HDD and delete your MP3s though and not because I would appreciate saving $80 over VideoStudio for my modest requirements, go ahead… but you’d be a fucktard for thinking so.

    • Unanimous Hamster
    • 17 years ago

    Just wanted to add to my last post …

    So there’s no doubt about what info is sent in HTTP referrers, here’s a quote from RFC2616, the [b]official[/b] HTTP 1.1 specification:

    [quote]
    14.36 Referer

    The Referer[sic] request-header field allows the client to specify, for the server’s benefit, the address (URI) of the resource from which the Request-URI was obtained (the “referrer”, although the header field is misspelled.) The Referer request-header allows a server to generate lists of back-links to resources for interest, logging, optimized caching, etc. It also allows obsolete or mistyped links to be traced for maintenance. [b]The Referer field MUST NOT be sent if the Request-URI was obtained from a source that does not have its own URI, such as input from the user keyboard.[/b]
    [/quote]

    Note that last sentence. The referrer is NOT sent when a user enters a URL directly or selects a favorite or bookmark. Only a link sends a referrer field, so if I really was visiting bizarre sex sites, TR would be none the wiser.

    For anyone who’s interested, the complete RFC can be found at:

    §[< http://www.rfc-editor.org/cgi-bin/rfcdoctype.pl?loc=RFC&letsgo=2616&type=ftp&file_format=txt<]§ P.S. Forge, thanks for the support, but I'm having a blast debating this AG ... he's making himself look dumber with every post. If he keeps this up, he'll soon be riding the short bus!

    • Forge
    • 17 years ago

    AG #15/18/20 – Since you’ve already been firmly identified as either an MS employee, or at the very least someone with an ulterior motive, the ideal move for you would be to change your posting style, at the very least, so that people at least bother reading your ‘honest people have nothing to hide’ BULLSH!T.

    It doesn’t matter if you have anything to hide or not. The important point is: Who gave MS the right to play God? Who gave MS permission to poke into my stuff?

    This DRM crap is fine in most cases. It keeps you from handing your Justin Timberlake CD out, and that’s AOK by me.

    I just don’t like people rifling through my stuff to make sure I don’t have any MP3s.

    • Unanimous Hamster
    • 17 years ago

    [quote]
    Now that I’ve explained the difference so a 3rd grader could understand, think about this: This site probably stores referrer. So they can look through their logs, and track your history. If you like to spend your afternoons over at §[< http://www.i-love-sex-with-small-animals.com<]§, they'll know it. [/quote] For a self-professed developer, you're remarably ignorant about how referrers work. A referrer field is not sent on a direct URL request ... such as if a user is viewing the animal sex site, then enters TR's URL in their browser's address bar, or selects TR in their favorites. The only way a referrer to the animal sex site would be sent to TR is if the animal sex site had a link on their site to TR ... and why the heck would they? [quote] Are you going to jump all over TR for doing basically the same thing MS is doing now? If not you're a hypocrite. In fact, I can pretty much gaurantee TR has a helluva lot more dirt on you than MS does (or will). Feeling uncomfortable? [/quote] The only thing I feel uncomfortable with is your lack of knowledge. Web sites only have access to a very limited, strictly controlled amount of data about their users, such as IP and user agent. MS software, on the other hand, runs on your computer, and potentially has access to EVERYTHING on your computer. If users don't protest this invasion of privacy, this will no doubt embolden MS to collect more data in the future. Give an inch ... [quote] MS spying on me to give better support, or to increase sales or to see if I am STEALING stuff.. .doesn't even phase me... [/quote] And do you know what MS does with the information they collect on you through spying? No, you don't. MS could do whatever they wanted with the info once they have it ... even give it to the U.S. government you fear so much.

    • Anonymous
    • 17 years ago

    [q]Methinks AG #15 either works for M$ or is a major M$ stockholder.[/q]

    Oh how convincing an argument.

    How about neither?

    How about, I just don’t see the sense in blanket paranoia?

    MP dialing out has nothing to do with DRM. Nothing. I agree, I don’t like the idea of MP sending out GIDs, but that’s not a DRM issue.

    Secondly, while I can sympathize about the whole DRM/MP3 issue, as a developer, I can’t when it comes to my back yard, and software.

    If you have a problem with Software License Verification, then please stay far away from anything I write.

    If you have a problem with not having the convenience of burning music CD’s, that’s a whole other issue.

    DRM can be used for both restrictions, but that doesn’t mean both are bad.

    Just like MS-SQL-Server can be used to store your IP, your Email, and your Referrer, or it can be used to merely store your User_Id.

    One is invasive, the other is not. That doesn’t make SQLServer bad.

    Now that I’ve explained the difference so a 3rd grader could understand, think about this: This site probably stores referrer. So they can look through their logs, and track your history. If you like to spend your afternoons over at §[< http://www.i-love-sex-with-small-animals.com<]§, they'll know it. Are you going to jump all over TR for doing basically the same thing MS is doing now? If not you're a hypocrite. In fact, I can pretty much gaurantee TR has a helluva lot more dirt on you than MS does (or will). Feeling uncomfortable?

    • Anonymous
    • 17 years ago

    no… am not joking…

    on my paranoia-meter… MS doesn’t even REGISTER… of the top 100 things that I am paranoid about… MS spying on me to give better support, or to increase sales or to see if I am STEALING stuff.. .doesn’t even phase me…
    the government spying on my email, or identity thieves poking into my personal life… that gets my attention… like I care is MS finds out I used 10 seconds of the death star mp3 I have… blow me… they can come sue me…

    • Unanimous Hamster
    • 17 years ago

    [quote]
    so WHAT if they spy on me…
    [/quote]

    Please tell us you’re joking.

    • Anonymous
    • 17 years ago

    man… what a bunch of WHINERS in here…

    jeeeez.. all that for $20? sounds like a good deal to me.

    so WHAT if they spy on me… like I care… bite me ya know? if MS if pissed cuz I put 10 seconds of star wars mp3 in my home made webcam video… come after me ya know.

    I mean… puhhhhleeeeeez… for $20… you can’t go wrong if you ask me…. stop yer whining!

    • Unanimous Hamster
    • 17 years ago

    Methinks AG #15 either works for M$ or is a major M$ stockholder.

    • Thresher
    • 17 years ago

    DRM is already included in Media Player. Additionally, unless you’ve taken very special care to disable it, MP phones home to MS to let them know what you are playing.

    This is creepy in my opinion:

    §[< http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/02/12/16/021216opwinman.xml<]§ MS knows every CD, DVD, and media clip you've played, unless you've turned off the right service. Say what you want about Macs and Linux, but this is not a "feature" that they have.

    • Anonymous
    • 17 years ago

    DRM: Who cares?

    1> If the PlusMSI is DRMed, so what? It doesn’t matter unless you wanted to install it to multiple boxes, which isn’t legal BTW. So it’s just license enforcement.

    2> AFAICT it’s described as being a stripped down version of Ulead VideoStudio, or an enhanced version of MS MovieMaker, however you look at it. So DRM on your own content, captured or otherwise, is a non-issue.

    So what’s with all the bitching? Decent capture software, with a pretty interface, that costs a fifth what the retail software does, but without some of the more advanced transitions or encoders…

    Sounds like a good deal to me.

    Give me MovieMaker, with some more codecs, a few basic transitions, and support for higher resolutions for $20 and I’m sold.

    Throw in a few quality Themes (of course), and it’s an even better deal.

    Gimmie a few extra games on top of that, and it’ll be the best $20 I ever spent on software.

    • siddman
    • 17 years ago

    I’d get it if it included the PVR feature.

    • Zenith
    • 17 years ago

    Sinse i skipped win98SE plus, can some one explain what this “plus” adds? really.

    • Deth
    • 17 years ago

    Has M$ ever put out a Plus Pack worth the $0.10 to press the media? I don’t think so.

    • Deth
    • 17 years ago

    AG #7

    [q]oh sheet 20 dolrah way too freakin’ ecspenisive[/q]Is this somekind of Special Ed thing that I’m not quite getting? Go back to the small bus, son.

    • Anonymous
    • 17 years ago

    I wonder if Digital Rights Management will be amongst the included “features” of the new Plus pack. After all, Creative Labs quietly shipped it as part of their Audigy 2 sound card and I somehow doubt they’d be advertising DRM on the box or on their website.

    • RX78
    • 17 years ago

    The nice thing is price is not a real issue here. I mean $15 after rebate, big deal! After pulling the copy protection off of their Media Center software that stops recordings from being shared among other computers, they are going in the right direction. As for being a worthy upgrade, I will comment on the Plus software only when I see it.

    • Anonymous
    • 17 years ago

    the original plus! pack really blew… but this one will be the heat fo’ sho’…

    • Anonymous
    • 17 years ago

    oh sheet 20 dolrah way too freakin’ ecspenisive

    • Mr Bill
    • 17 years ago

    <cough> Paladium <cough>

    • Anonymous
    • 17 years ago

    MS will probably put a unique identifier in each download executable, then they can tie in the identitiy of the buyer will the MAC address of their NIC, activation key, etc…

    At this point, I wouldn’t put it past ’em.

    I just had that stupid DRM bull$hit pop up on me last night…grrrr..

    • atidriverssuck
    • 17 years ago

    The Windows XP hybrid features a second interface for accessing digital media features, including a digital video recorder (DVR) for recording TV shows to the computer’s hard drive.
    ——-
    I’m sure the folks at §[< http://www.showshifter.com< ]§ and §[<http://www.snapstream.com<]§ are gonna love this.

    • Anonymous
    • 17 years ago

    [q]could we be looking at the home PC’s next killer app?[/q]

    r{

    • danny e.
    • 17 years ago

    two comments:

    first i dont see it being very popular unless it is really good software. everyone is used to MS giving away stuff like this for free. (spoiled brat syndrome)

    second, is there are problem with TR servers? its been really SLOW loading all day.. and still is.

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