ATI pricing, availability claims revisited

Coinciding with the launch of the Radeon X1800 GTO earlier this month, ATI unveiled a chart detailing availability and pricing information for new Radeon X1800 and X1900 graphics cards. At the time, a cursory look through our price search engine revealed the chart to be far from accurate: the X1800 cards suffered from limited availability and high pricing, and the X1900 cards were still marked up significantly higher than ATI’s listed prices. Over two weeks have passed since our first examination, so we decided to have another look to see if ATI has finally delivered on its claims. Here’s the chart for reference:

Despite ATI claiming availability weeks ago, the Radeon X1800 XL 512MB is still nowhere to be found. The X1800 XT 256MB also seems to be in short supply; we could only find this $399.99 Gigabyte version, and a $299 Sapphire OEM model, both available only from Newegg. As for the X1800 CrossFire Edition, it’s at least $453, with many stores charging $499 or more. ATI does seem to have come through on the X1900 line, however. The X1900 XT, X1900 XTX and X1900 CrossFire Edition are available at $434, $489, and $526, respectively—quite a bit below ATI’s estimated selling prices. As expected, the X1800 GTO is still unavailable. ATI did list a March 31 shipping date, and although we were able to spot one of the cards on Allstarshop, it isn’t clear whether it’s actually in stock.

Given what we were able to find for sale online, it looks like ATI still has some work to do with the X1800 line. The X1800XL 512MB is a particularly bad example, as it’s still missing in action weeks after ATI said it was already available. This isn’t to say the picture is entirely rosy on the NVIDIA side, however. The GeForce 7900 GT is nigh impossible to find at its suggested price of $299, and it seems to be frequently out of stock at stores like Newegg. At least the 7600 GT and 7900 GTX seem to be doing quite well. Both are available below their respective $199-229 and $499-649 suggested prices.

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    • Shark974
    • 14 years ago

    Where in the HELL is TEch Report’s reporting on NVidia’s continual utter inability to supply high end cards for months now?

    §[<http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=ENE&N=2000380048+1067920130&Subcategory=48&description=&srchInDesc=&minPrice=&maxPrice=<]§ OUT OF STOCK. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Nvidia needs to get this crap sorted or they are going to go out of business. I am so tired of their paper launches and absurdly high priced unavailable products. Oh, has tech report reported on this? Of course not. ATI is the bad guy, remember? Nvidia is not criticized by any online sites. What a joke. Get off your politically correct asses Tech report and stop schilling for Nvidia and gasp, try reporting on Nvidia's complete FAILURE to supply high end cards for oh I dunno, sixx months now. What a joke. Get it together Nvidia or get out of the market. I am tired of this CRAP

      • indeego
      • 14 years ago

      I show two in stock, one coming soon. So not every. People that want that high end crap can preorder or get off ebay for a high price. I’m thinking when the cost is that high they don’t mind a few hundred moreg{<.<}g

    • DukenukemX
    • 14 years ago

    I still have my Geforce 6800 and it’s still just fine. Especially since I unlocked the other pipes just fine.

    My only problem is I hate how Nvidia is updating their drivers. When they going to do it? Who knows. Is it going to be better? Who knows.

    For now I’m not dealing with ATI’s bull. Both on how retailers are jacking up prices and how available those cards are. If they can’t do it then someone should give PowerVR a call and tell them opportunity is knocking. Cause I ain’t happy with how ATI is suppling these cards and I’m not happy with Nvidia releasing hardware and claiming to do things that it can’t. Like Hardware MPEG2 encoding.

    They are both so caught up in OEM stuff that the retail is forgotten.

    • Fighterpilot
    • 14 years ago

    l[

      • Convert
      • 14 years ago

      I can almost see the anti-ati comments eating away at you, slowly nibbling until you explode at the slightest negative statement.

      Keep up the good show.

      Oh and you didn’t correct anyone. Just a bunch of fluff, you used one opinion to try and counter another opinion. That really doesn’t get you far.

      “you sound like an idiot trashing a company”

      Oh? So defending one makes you what then?

      /waits for a self indulgent response

        • Fighterpilot
        • 14 years ago

        Ok,even tho you put it rather clumsily I think I have got your point there…so…just for the record….seeing how you disagree with what I wrote regarding ATI ….in your opinion too, ATI is an embarrassing mess and its mid-range stuff is a disaster?

          • flip-mode
          • 14 years ago

          I don’t think that’s what he was saying. My interpretation of his remark is that you are an ass, but I may be wrong.

          In fact, if I remember correctly, Convert is currently an owner of a mid-range ATI – X1800XL or X800XL I think.

          You can have the last word FighterPilot. You’re such an ass I’m not going to bother responding to any more of you trolling.

      • flip-mode
      • 14 years ago

      Man, I’m trying to give you every benefit of the doubt, but I have to face facts: you are selectively illiterate.

      edit, you are also rude. so far you labeled me bucko, idiot, an Nvidia schill, and a crybaby.

        • Fighterpilot
        • 14 years ago

        OK ,fair enough…bucko was way outta line.

      • tay
      • 14 years ago

      Well as I see it,

      Ultra High end – X1900 XT or XTX are the way to go. Better IQ and shader performance.
      High end – 7900GT vs X1800XL = 7900 GT winner
      Midrange – 7600 GT vs X1600XT = ROFL
      LowMid – 7600GS vs X1600Pro = ROFL
      Low – 7300 vs X1300 = X1300 winner

      So it is fair to say ATIs midrange lineup is in shambles. Nothing to compete. Having only 4 texture units on the X1600 was a major cock-up and we wait for the RV560/570 to fix it.

      The x1800GTO is nearly 2x the die size of a 7600GT so it will be unable to compete on price.

        • flip-mode
        • 14 years ago

        Nice, concise post.

          • crabjokeman
          • 14 years ago

          Maybe their midrange is in shambles because they’d rather concentrate on epenis systems, HTPC setups, and OEM sales. The informed midrange buyer will choose Nvidia (for price/performance and performance/watt) unless they don’t care about 3D and they only want image quality.

          ATI could do better on the midrange 3D performance if they really wanted to, e.g. make an X1700 instead of rebadging higher end parts that didn’t make the cut (GTO). When they gave up on making an X700XT, I knew they didn’t care about the informed buyer anymore (at the time, Nvidia had better image quality and the 6600GT was better in almost every bench than the X700Pro).

            • flip-mode
            • 14 years ago

            That may be. I honestly think that they never expected Nvidia to recover so successfully from the FX series. ATI had an undisputed lead over Nvidia in every segment of the consumer sector (except for the eternal mx400 cards) and then ATI began to flounder with Nvidia’s launce of the 6xxx series – beating ATI in both performance and features. ATI has been playing catch up ever since. I don’t think they gave up, I think they underestimated post-FX-Nvidia and were caught flat-footed. This is all just opinion and speculation of course.

        • Ricardo Dawkins
        • 14 years ago

        X1900 GTO….see ya in April / May !!!

    • Pete
    • 14 years ago

    Cyril, I see four X1800XT 256MB models available at NewEgg: three Sapphires (at $289, 299, and $309) and one HIS (at $349-$50MIR). Encouraging to see them at $40 under MSRP, if only b/c that bodes well for the GTO selling for near-7600GT prices.

    The X1800 XL 512 is indeed still AWOL, at least in the USA. The GTO appears to be available at at least one US (Allstarshop) and UK (OC UK) shop, although the prices offered aren’t great.

    • absinthexl
    • 14 years ago

    The good: I’m using an 9500 Pro, and it’s still squeaking by three years after I got it.

    The bad: I’m typing this at 640×480, 2-bit color.

    Time to download yet another driver package, with the hope that this one will stick. atidriverssuck… any chance of letting me take over your username? 🙂

    Edit: MY GOD IT WORKED. Now I just have to kill the “ATI CATALYST(R) Control Center” right-click option that shows up every goddamn time I goddamn update my goddamn drivers. ATI, it’s the little things that make me hate you.

      • MadCatz
      • 14 years ago

      §[<http://www.omegadrivers.net<]§ Go there to get your drivers.

        • sativa
        • 14 years ago

        you shouldn’t have to get 3rd party drivers for your stuff to work right.

          • l33t-g4m3r
          • 14 years ago

          ccc is crap. but you dont have to install it with stock drivers. there is a checkbox you can unmark.

          ati owners are still better off using omega’s set instead, since ati doesnt set tweaks by default.
          but neither does nvidia, afaik.

            • crabjokeman
            • 14 years ago

            Or, better yet, don’t download it. Look under the download section intended for modem users and just get the driver only.

            • absinthexl
            • 14 years ago

            Installing ATI drivers without the Control Center leaves me at 640×480 with 2-bit color every time. It’s a 35MB download or nothing.

            • crabjokeman
            • 14 years ago

            That’s odd. What video card do you have? I had no problems with an X700 and X300, but it may not work on the newer X1x00 series.

            Perhaps you should try uninstalling all the ati software/drivers and then downloading the driver only.

            • Usacomp2k3
            • 14 years ago

            I think he has a 9500 pro 😉

            • Rza79
            • 14 years ago

            What’s everybody’s prob with CC?
            I mean, put it in advanced mode and you will have all the options you will ever need. You can disable the tray icon within CC.
            I don’t see the prob. You go into CC once, setup your stuff and you’re done. How many times do you have to open it?
            I just put my tv out to ‘clone’, the refresh rate for 3D to ‘same as desktop’ and just setup the deinterlacing for dvd’s. That’s it. I really don’t see the problem. Is it to much to do this once a month? Are you people that lazy?
            Only thing i have on top is AtiTool. That thing is unbeatable.

            • Palek
            • 14 years ago

            Truth be told, the decision to create Catalyst Control Center with .NET was pretty misguided. There was absolutely no need to use a resource-heavy, feature-filled framework for something as simple as a hardware setup dialog. Any program written for .NET has massive load times, and that annoys people to no end. ATi programmers really should have known better. I suspect some senior programmer was very eager to test the new framework, and now we have to endure the results of his/her enthusiasm.

            I also find CCC load times quite annoying, but not to the point where I would boycott ATi because of it. I just created a couple of profiles that I use frequently and switch between them via the tray icon, so I never need to fire up CCC beyond the initial setup.

            Ho-hum, another storm in a teacup.

            • crabjokeman
            • 14 years ago

            CCC is bloated and requires me to install .NET framework, which is more bloated garbage that I don’t need on my hard disk and in my registry.

            I found the ATI Control Panel to be more than sufficient for my needs and I believe in minimalism when it comes to system software.

            CCC will NEVER be on my system.

            • Rza79
            • 14 years ago

            .Net will be standard in Vista. So i guess you will never install Vista either?

            • crabjokeman
            • 14 years ago

            I have been using XP less than a year now and only because Win98 doesn’t support the newer hardware.

            MS Windows is like the federal government, it just keeps getting bigger and more bloated.

            • indeego
            • 14 years ago

            So get a console for your games, and use WINdows to get stuff done.

            People who use products and then whine about it all the time annoy me. They don’t annoy me much though, so I keep talking to themg{<.<}g

        • absinthexl
        • 14 years ago

        Like sativa said, I shouldn’t have to get third party drivers for things to work.

        This is reminding me of the years I used kX drivers instead of dealing with Creative. At this point, though, I have a choice of who to go with for the next upgrade.

      • Pete
      • 14 years ago

      Better yet, just install the bare drivers and install ATI Tray Tools to configure the card. It’s like an enhaced CP (not CCC) on your systray: very handy.

    • Spune
    • 14 years ago

    I had no problem getting an XFX 7900GT ( I forget which of the version it was) days after launch. NCIX still seems to have a number in stock after a quick check.

    This card rocks, I just wish it was a hair quiter.

    • leor
    • 14 years ago

    i got a pair of 7900GTs overclocked, for about 310 no problem.

    people must have snatched em all up because right now they’re the sweet spot.

    • gratuitous
    • 14 years ago
      • Convert
      • 14 years ago

      That store is located in NZ. I wonder if they even carry all that stuff, it looks like a mom and pop shop with a website.

    • PRIME1
    • 14 years ago

    The Inq is already pimping a X1900GTO :-p
    §[<http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30529<]§ More product, less paper.

    • herothezero
    • 14 years ago

    Was just going to write the TR crew about the lack of 7900GTs in the open market. Been trying to get one since release. No one has them, particularly the overclocked versions.

    ATI? Do they still make video cards? I had no idea…

      • kfc
      • 14 years ago

      There is a little (avalible) card known as the X1900 XTX and it eats any single Nvidia card alive! The amount of shaders make it a big player for time to come as well. But everything else at ATI’s price point blows IMO.

    • ArturNOW
    • 14 years ago

    oj niedobrze, jak zawsze kart nie ma, a jak sa to za drogo, w ogóle co to ma znaczyc 😐 no nic chlopaki, damy rade

      • kfc
      • 14 years ago

      English your terrorist!

        • ArturNOW
        • 14 years ago

        hehe yes it’s polish. I wrote there’s always problem with availability and prices with ATi cards since X800 series.

      • Logan[TeamX]
      • 14 years ago

      Sorry, I failed 2nd semester Swedish Chef.

      How’s that again?

        • Palek
        • 14 years ago

        I think he’s a Polish chef.

    • Logan[TeamX]
    • 14 years ago

    I still don’t see a reason to flip from my X800XL. Next!

      • kfc
      • 14 years ago

      I still don’t see a reason to flip from my 6800LE 16/6. Next!
      collapse

    • flip-mode
    • 14 years ago

    ATI is an embarassing mess.

    Edit:

    TR, thanks for doing these price / availability checks. It seems to be the best method to hold vaporware makers accountable.

    I’m hurting for a 7900GT.

      • Fighterpilot
      • 14 years ago

      I thought that “getting paid by Nvidia for shilling” stuff was just a hoax….
      The only thing embarassing about it is he’s “hurting” for a 7900GT.
      OMG you crybaby….but dont worry NVidia oughta have one in the mail to you any day now….amen.

        • Convert
        • 14 years ago

        flip-mode has been around here far longer than you have and I have gotten to know him a little through postings.

        The only suspected shill would be you, but I doubt you get paid for the fanaticism.

      • Palek
      • 14 years ago

      By what standard is ATi an embarrassing mess? Just curious. Both graphics companies have gone through periods – and will again in the future – when competition, supply problems or design bugs caused them to frantically rearrange their product lineups, causing much consumer confusion. So I guess you could say that ATi is an embarrassing mess y[

        • flip-mode
        • 14 years ago

        They’re a mess insofar as for (approximately) the last year they have repeatedly vapor-launched products. X1900s are better, as the TR news post stated, but their mid-range is a disaster. Their products are arguably as good as Nvidia’s, but their availability and marketing are an embarassing mess.

        Despite tight supply of 7900GTs, they are still available. The only card that Nvidia has vapored over the last two years (that I can think of) is the 7800GTX-512. I wasn’t happy about that, and I probably said so somewhere. If you would have caught me during the period of the FX series, then I’d have been slamming Nvidia for several reasons.

        I guess I’m a little bit miffed over FighterPilot’s response. I don’t understand why he has to “go there”. If I’m wrong, which I am on a daily basis, then correct me and then I’m the fool. SSDD. He didn’t really bother with any substantive argument or even to go so far as to refine my statement, such as you did Palek, which would have been fine. But, no worries, I’m not going to get worked up about it. I’ve jumped on peoples’ backs before too. Besides, I’ve got that fat check from Nvidia on the way, and they offered me a free 7900GT after I sent them a copy of that last comment :roll:.

        BTW, the reason I’m “hurting” for the availability of the 7900GT is because I’m trying out the step-up program at EVGA, who happen to be back-ordered on the 7900GTs. My 6800GS is causing my CPU to get hammered with DPCs (Deferred Procedure Calls) so right now I’m running on a PCI TNT 64 with 16MB of RAM. Loading TR’s homepage takes a couple of seconds with this card! So, yes, you could say I’m “hurting”. Hey FighterPilot, put you money where your mouth is and send me a swanky ATI card to hold me over for a couple of weeks. Yeah, that’s what I thought.

        I may as well go ahead and add that the most satisfied I’ve ever been with a card was my old 9800Pro. So next time you presume to know something about somebody FighterPilot, just play it safe and keep your accusations and insults to yourself.

        Sorry if my initial post was a little too broad-brush, oh-well. And thanks for the neighborly treatment Convert.

    • Sargent Duck
    • 14 years ago

    I though (or was under the impression) that the x1800 was having major supply issues, and the x1900 (in addition to being faster), was supposed to replace the x1800. Perhaps ATI has shifted a majority of x1800 production to x1900 production.

    • Zenith
    • 14 years ago

    Too. Many. Different. Models.

      • flip-mode
      • 14 years ago

      A. Men.

    • SpotTheCat
    • 14 years ago

    I’ve told everyone and their mother to be on the lookout for the 7900GT, it’s a nice and cool card.

    any passively cooled version of it would sell even faster.

      • FroBozz_Inc
      • 14 years ago

      As I get older and wiser, and gaming less overall….

      I find myself thinking more and more of passive cooling being a desirable trait. At work it’s been a requirement for a long time.

      Gimmie a good card that games well and is passively cooled out of the box, and takes up only one slot. Like the 7900GT.

        • SpotTheCat
        • 14 years ago

        I personally wouldn’t mind it taking up two slots (perhaps the one above it instead of below?)

        my next graphics card will have passive cooling. My next everything will have passive cooling. I don’t want to buy another fan ever again.

          • Palek
          • 14 years ago

          I would love the idea of a completely passively cooled machine. However, unless you own one of those $1000 Zalman heatsink cases that have enough surface area and heat conductivity to remove the heat produced by the CPU, GPU and whatever else, your system will get slowly cooked without fans. Large, low-rpm fans are the way to go!

          The PSU in my beastie has a gigantic 14cm fan in it spinning at around 700 rpm, the CPU cooler takes a 12cm fan going at 500rpm, and my video card – an HIS X800GTO – came with an Arctic Silencer (or whatever it’s called) standard. These fans are basically inaudible, the only thing making a sound is the little maglev fan on the DFI motherboard, and even that is a pleasant, low-frequency whirr. Even under full load the system makes less noise than a quiet air conditioner, so I’m pretty happy with it. Ironically, our Shuttle HTPC is louder than my monster tower PC.

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