Socket AM2 chipsets collide

AMD’S LATEST ATHLON 64 processors use a new socket and DDR2 memory, essentially requiring a motherboard upgrade. It just wouldn’t do to plug a cutting-edge processor into a motherboard with an older chipset, though. Perhaps that’s why ATI and NVIDIA are rolling out new core logic to accompany AMD’s Socket AM2. In the green corner, NVIDIA is launching a top-to-bottom line of nForce 500 series chipsets, including the high-end nForce 590 SLI. ATI, on the other hand, is finally taking the wraps off its long-awaited SB600 south bridge. That chip is paired with the established CrossFire Xpress 3200 north bridge for high-end multi-GPU platforms.

In many ways, the latest core logic offerings from ATI and NVIDIA are evolutionary designs that address problems with previous chipsets. ATI claims its SB600 resolves the I/O performance problems that plagued the SB450, and NVIDIA promises the nForce 500 series’ Gigabit Ethernet acceleration sheds the hardware bug that afflicted the nForce4’s ActiveArmor. New features are also on the menu. The SB600 is ATI’s first stab at Serial ATA with 300 MB/s and Native Command Queuing, and the nForce 500 series is virtually bursting at the seams with fancy feature names, including FirstPacket, LinkBoost, and DualNet.

Is the combination of ATI’s CrossFire Xpress 3200 and SB600 potent enough to prevent NVIDIA’s nForce 590 SLI from inheriting the Athlon 64 core logic crown? We’ve subjected both chipsets to an exhaustive array of application, peripheral, and power consumption tests to find out, and the answer might surprise you.

ATI’s CrossFire Xpress 3200 for AM2
Oddly enough, the north bridge component of ATI’s CrossFire Xpress 3200 for AM2 chipset isn’t new at all. It’s the same chip ATI introduced several months ago for Socket 939, but this time around, it’s connected to Socket AM2. The chip offers 40 lanes of PCI Express connectivity, allowing it to feed two full-bandwidth PCI-E x16 slots. ATI has made much of this capability, claiming that multi-GPU configurations that hang one graphics card off the south bridge suffer from poor performance due to limited chipset interconnect bandwidth. Consolidating all of a chipset’s PCI Express lanes in the north bridge is certainly a much cleaner approach, but the performance of NVIDIA’s nForce4 SLI X16 chipset certainly doesn’t seem to suffer due to its dual-chip layout.

The multi-GPU configuration most likely to benefit from having both graphics cards hanging off the north bridge would be one that relies solely on PCI Express to pass data between cards. That type of setup is only common with low-end graphics cards, though; high-end configs use a CrossFire dongle or SLI bridge connector to pass data between graphics cards, largely bypassing PCI Express. Since the CrossFire Xpress 3200 is a high-end chipset, it’s unlikely to be paired with the kind of low-end or even mid-range graphics cards that stand the best chance of benefiting from its PCI Express configuration.

With 32 of the CrossFire Xpress 3200’s PCI Express lanes occupied by a pair of 16-lane graphics slots, eight lanes remain. Half are available to PCI Express peripherals and x1 slots, with the last four reserved for ATI’s Alink2 chipset interconnect.

Using standard PCI Express lanes for a chipset interconnect allows the CrossFire Xpress 3200 north bridge to easily interface with a range of south bridge chips, including ULi’s M1575. The M1575 was a popular way for motherboard manufacturers to avoid the liabilities associated with ATI’s older SB450 chipset, but with NVIDIA’s recent acquisition of ULi, the arrival of ATI’s new SB600 south bridge is particularly timely.

ATI’s CrossFire Xpress 3200 for AM2 reference board

With the SB600, ATI claims it has addressed the I/O performance issues that plagued the SB450. There’s more to the SB600 than just performance improvements, though. ATI has also added features, including support for 300 MB/s Serial ATA transfer rates and Native Command Queuing to the chip’s SATA controller. That controller’s RAID capabilities have also been bolstered, with ATI adding support for four-drive RAID 10 arrays to complement RAID 0 and RAID 1. It’s a little disappointing that RAID 5 didn’t make the cut for the SB600, but given the poor write performance we’ve seen from several chipset-level RAID 5 implementations, it’s not a huge blow to the SB600’s appeal.

With the exception of RAID 5, the SB600 has everything else you’d expect from a modern south bridge chip, including support for AC’97, High Definition Audio, and 10 USB ports. A single ATA channel has also become the norm, for better or worse, limiting users to just a pair of parallel ATA devices. At the very least, the limited number of available ATA channels in new core logic chipsets should encourage optical drive manufacturers to offer a greater number of Serial ATA options.

One thing you won’t find in the SB600 is a networking component. ATI doesn’t even integrate a basic 10/100 Fast Ethernet controller, instead relying on motherboard manufacturers to offer Ethernet options via PCI or PCI Express. There are some pretty spiffy PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet controllers out there, so a lack of integrated networking isn’t necessarily a strike against the SB600. However, some GigE chips have less attractive performance characteristics, so prospective buyers have to be careful about which chip a mobo maker chooses to integrate.

Modest passive chipset coolers for both the north and south bridge chips

ATI’s CrossFire Xpress 3200 for AM2 came to us riding a fancy-pants reference board with a white base and red trim. Look beyond the fancy colors, though, and it’s worth paying special attention to the reference design’s tiny passive coolers. ATI’s core logic chips have a reputation for running cool, and the Xpress 3200 and SB600 are no exception. The former is built using 90-nano fabrication technology and requires little more than a tallish passive cooler. The SB600’s heat output—or lack thereof—is even more impressive. That chip is built using an older 130-nano process, but it makes do with just a tiny low-profile cooler.

NVIDIA’s nForce 590 SLI
NVIDIA’s nForce4 chipset family was introduced more than a year and a half ago, so it’s long overdue for a replacement. The nForce4 SLI X16 refresh did little more than add PCI Express lanes via a discrete north bridge chip, leaving plenty of room for NVIDIA to break new ground with its nForce 500 family—and it has, expanding and refining features found in the original nForce4 while adding new bells and whistles along the way.

The nForce 590 SLI occupies the high end of the nForce 500 series, and as one might expect, it’s capable of providing a pair of PCI Express graphics cards with 16 lanes of bandwidth each. Rather than consolidating those lanes in a single chipset component, NVIDIA splits them between the nForce 590 SLI’s north and south bridge chips. This arrangement works well enough with the nForce4 SLI X16 chipset, perhaps in part because NVIDIA uses a 16-bit, 1 GHz HyperTransport chip-to-chip interconnect that offers a whopping 8 GB/s of bandwidth. That’s as much bandwidth as the Athlon 64’s HyperTransport link to the rest of the system, making it unlikely the nForce 590 SLI’s chipset interconnect will become a bottleneck.

LinkBoost in action
Source: NVIDIA

Just in case that’s not enough, the nForce 590 SLI also incorporates what NVIDIA calls LinkBoost technology. LinkBoost increases the clock speed of the chipset’s interconnect and PCI Express graphics links by 25%, boosting the bandwidth available to each to 10 GB/s. NVIDIA is adamant that LinkBoost isn’t overclocking—the chipset’s PCI Express and interconnect links have all been tested and qualified up to 125% of their default speeds. There is one catch, though. Because LinkBoost increases the clock speed of the PCI Express bus, it requires a graphics card that can handle the extra speed. To date, the only graphics card that NVIDIA has deemed LinkBoost-compatible is the GeForce 7900 GTX.

LinkBoost is a neat trick, but with such restrictions, its potential benefits won’t be universal. Those benefits may be few and far between, anyway, since the chipset’s link to the CPU (and thus to main memory) tops out at 8 GB/s.

At least the nForce 590 SLI won’t be bottlenecked when it comes to networking performance. The chipset’s south bridge component has two Gigabit Ethernet MACs—one more than the nForce4 series. Each of those MACs has its own TCP/IP offload engine, promising lower CPU utilization during GigE transfers—for real this time, NVIDIA says. The nForce4 series apparently had a hardware bug that limited the TCP/IP offload engine’s effectiveness, forcing NVIDIA to back off the chipset’s hardware acceleration to avoid data corruption. According to NVIDIA, that bug’s been fixed in the nForce 590 SLI, a claim we’ll put to the test in our Ethernet performance tests.

NVIDIA has actually ditched the ActiveArmor moniker for the nForce 590 SLI’s Gigabit Ethernet controllers, perhaps to avoid association with the CPU utilization and data corruption problems that dogged the nForce4 family. The nForce4’s personal firewall software hasn’t made the transition to the nForce 500 series, either. That creates interesting implications for hardware acceleration, because the nForce 590 SLI’s TCP/IP offload engine isn’t compatible with third-party firewall software. You can use the TCP/IP offload engine or you can run third-party firewall software, but not both together.

Without FirstPacket
Source: NVIDIA

NVIDIA has added a few new wrinkles to nForce 500 series networking. The most interesting new addition is a quality-of-service feature that NVIDIA calls FirstPacket. With FirstPacket, users can set higher priority levels for certain applications, allowing packets from those apps to cut in line and be transmitted ahead of packets from lower priority programs. Application priority is defined through an easy-to-navigate Windows driver control panel, making FirstPacket configuration a snap.

With FirstPacket
Source: NVIDIA

FirstPacket looks particularly promising for gamers looking for more consistent ping times while transferring files or running programs like BitTorrent in the background, but there are limitations. The nForce 590 SLI only has control over the packets it sends out, since it must accept every packet it receives. Therefore, FirstPacket is only capable of prioritizing outbound packets. That may be a significant limitation for folks who spend more time downloading than uploading, but NVIDIA only has control over the chipset, so they can’t impose a quality-of-service scheme on other network clients.

In addition to FirstPacket, the nForce 590 SLI also sports an EtherChannel-like Gigabit Ethernet teaming feature dubbed DualNet. DualNet takes advantage of the nForce 590 SLI’s pair of GigE MACs by combining them to act as a single networking controller. This double-wide Gigabit Ethernet connection can be used to push additional data. If one connection fails, the second will maintain service, adding a measure of fault tolerance. NVIDIA declined to reveal exactly how it presents the nForce 590 SLI’s dual GigE controllers as a single unit, but admitted that the scheme involves “playing some games” with ARP spoofing, among other tricks.

DualNet’s ability to boost networking throughput to a theoretical peak of 2 Gbps is an intriguing prospect, but one that few users will be capable of exploiting. It would take multiple GigE-capable clients to saturate a 2 Gbps connection, and even then, NVIDIA is only guaranteeing a 40% performance boost. That said, in a multi-client demo it showed the press, NVIDIA was able to leverage DualNet to boost networking throughput by 70%. Ultimately, DualNet’s performance potential looks more appropriate for server and multi-user environments where the nForce 590 SLI will be rare at best. DualNet’s fault tolerance also seems better suited to server environments. Perhaps we’ll see it appear in NVIDIA’s next-gen workstation and server chipsets.

However, for those who lack a Gigabit Network, DualNet is capable of teaming a pair of 10/100 Fast Ethernet connections. Home users could find that capability useful, especially at LAN parties where systems are often share a large number of files with multiple clients.

More on NVIDIA’s nForce 590 SLI
With the nForce 590 SLI brimming with new networking buzzwords, the chipset’s additional Serial ATA ports are almost an afterthought. The nForce 590 SLI supports up to six Serial ATA devices—two more than other core logic chipsets. Those drives can be configured in RAID 0, 1, 0+1, and 5 arrays, and with support for six drives, it’s even possible to run a pair of three-drive RAID 5 arrays side-by-side. Unfortunately, NVIDIA admits it hasn’t done much to improve the performance of its chipset RAID 5 implementation. We experienced dismal write performance when we tested RAID 5 on the nForce4 last year, and although NVIDIA is aware of the issue, it has been hesitant to employ performance enhancements because it’s worried about inadvertently compromising data integrity.

Speaking of performance enhancements, the nForce 590 SLI’s Serial ATA controller can be fine-tuned to maximize performance for specific hard drive models. Each hard drive model has unique performance characteristics, and tweaking things like the Native Command Queuing queue depth can make a difference with some drives. Thus far, NVIDIA has only created a performance profile for Western Digital’s latest 150 GB Raptor, but there are plans to profile additional drives that are popular among enthusiasts. Support for performance profiles will also make its way to the nForce4 family through a driver update, although NVIDIA isn’t keen to let users fiddle with profiles on their own.

While bulking up elsewhere, the nForce 590 SLI has dropped an ATA channel, limiting support to just two ATA devices. That limitation is shared by ATI’s SB600 south bridge and even Intel’s ICH7, so it’s hardly a new phenomenon.

We may not be surprised to see NVIDIA dropping an ATA channel from the nForce 590 SLI, but we’re a little shocked to see support for AC’97 audio missing from the nForce 590 SLI spec. NVIDIA has taken seemingly forever to offer an alternative to AC’97, and rather than straddling the fence, it’s moving the entire nForce 500 series over to the “Azalia” High Definition Audio spec. NVIDIA sees no need to retain compatibility with the older audio standard, and we’re inclined to agree. AC’97 support would give motherboard manufacturers additional flexibility to use cheaper codec chips, but we’d rather they not have that option.

Asus’ M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wi-Fi Edition motherboard

Rather than simply giving its board partners a basic reference platform for the nForce 590 SLI, NVIDIA says it put a lot of effort into designing a quality reference board with an intelligent layout, a feature-laden BIOS, and loads of overclocking headroom. Foxconn has fully implemented that reference design in a retail board, but unfortunately, our sample didn’t arrive in time for testing. Instead, we’ll be using Asus’s new M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wi-Fi Edition to evaluate the nForce 590 SLI. Expect more in-depth coverage of the Foxconn board and other nForce 590 SLI platforms soon.

Plenty of plumbing to cool the nForce 590 SLI

Although the M2N32-SLI Deluxe doesn’t follow NVIDIA’s nForce 590 SLI reference design exactly, it’s worth noting that its chipset cooling is considerably more aggressive than that of ATI’s CrossFire Xpress 3200 reference board. The nForce4 SLI chipset has a reputation for running hot, and given the extensive array of heat pipes and cooling fins on the Asus board, it would appear that the nForce 590 SLI isn’t much cooler.

Oddly enough, the nForce 590 SLI’s north bridge component is manufactured using 90-nano fabrication technology, just like the CrossFire Xpress 3200 north bridge. Like the SB450, the nForce 590 SLI MCP is a 130-nano chip, although its more extensive feature set likely requires a significant number of additional transistors.

NVIDIA is taking advantage of the nForce 500 series’ launch to unveil the latest version of its nTune system utility. This latest rev offers an impressive number of new features, including more extensive BIOS tweaking, better hardware monitoring options, and support for multiple profiles that can be invoked based on system variables or application launches. NVIDIA is also eager to promote the nForce 590 SLI’s support for what it calls SLI memory. SLI has nothing to do with memory, of course, but NVIDIA appears determined to apply its SLI brand to as many platform components as possible. SLI memory merely refers to memory that adheres to the open Enhanced Performance Profile spec NVIDIA developed with Corsair. Enhanced Performance Profiles are a good thing, but support for them appears to be more of a BIOS feature than a chipset attribute.

Thus far, we’ve only discussed the flagship member of the nForce 500 family, the nForce 590 SLI. NVIDIA is also introducing several other members of the nForce 500 series today, including the nForce 570 SLI and nForce 570 Ultra. Both 570-series chipsets have dual hardware-accelerated Gigabit Ethernet controllers with support for DualNet and FirstPacket, and both feature six Serial ATA ports with support for RAID 0, 1, 0+1, and 5. However, neither member of the nForce 570 series features LinkBoost. The nForce 570 SLI also only offers eight lanes of PCI Express to each of a pair of graphics cards in SLI, while the Ultra derivative doesn’t support GPU teaming at all. Both are single-chip implementations, though. That makes us suspect that the nForce 590 SLI’s south bridge component is physically the same chip as the nForce 570 SLI.

Comparing chipset specs
Before diving into our performance tests, we’ve whipped up a couple of handy spec comparison tables that contrast the CrossFire Xpress 3200 and nForce 590 SLI with leading Socket 939 chipsets. The north bridge is up first, and since the same CrossFire Xpress 3200 chip is used for Socket AM2 and 939 platforms, we’ve only listed it once.

CrossFire Xpress 3200 nForce4 SLI X16 SPP nForce 590 SLI SPP
Processor interface 16-bit/1GHz HyperTransport 16-bit/1GHz HyperTransport 16-bit/1GHz HyperTransport
PCI Express lanes 40* 18 18
Chipset interconnect PCI Express x4 16-bit/1GHz HyperTransport 16-bit/1GHz HyperTransport
Peak interconnect bandwidth 2GB/s 8GB/s 8GB/s

Note the huge disparity in the number of north bridge PCI Express lanes between the CrossFire and nForce chipsets. NVIDIA makes it up at the south bridge, of course, and perhaps that’s why the nForce4 SLI X16 and 590 SLI have a much higher bandwidth speed chipset interconnect than the CrossFire Xpress 3200.

Next, we turn our attention south. We’ve added the ATI SB450, ULi M1575, and NVIDIA nForce4 SLI X16 MCP to accompany the south bridge components of our Socket AM2 chipsets.

M1575 SB450 SB600 nForce4 SLI X16 MCP nForce 590 SLI MCP
PCI Express lanes 4* 4* 4* 20 28
Serial ATA ports 4 4 4 4 6
Peak SATA data rate 300 MB/s 150 MB/s 300 MB/s 300 MB/s 300 MB/s
Native Command Queuing Y N Y Y Y
RAID 0/1 Y Y Y Y Y
RAID 0+1/10 Y N Y Y Y
ATA channels 2 2 1 2 1
Max audio channels 8 8 8 8 8
Audio standard AC’97/HDA AC’97/HDA AC’97/HDA AC’97 HDA
Ethernet 10/100 N N 10/100/1000 2 x 10/100/1000
USB ports 8 8 10 10 10

The nForce 590 SLI’s cornucopia of PCI Express lanes, Serial ATA and Gigabit Ethernet options, and supported RAID levels looks mighty impressive when compared with what ATI offers with the SB600. Still, the SB600’s array of south bridge features should be enough for most folks, especially when paired with a decent PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet chip or two.

Note that while both the SB600 and nForce 590 SLI support Native Command Queuing (NCQ), only the SB600 does so through Intel’s Advanced Host Controller Interface for Serial ATA. NVIDIA has supported NCQ since the nForce4, but eschews AHCI in favor of a proprietary spec it developed before AHCI existed. According to NVIDIA, its approach offers better performance with no real penalties because AHCI is just a register-level interface spec. NVIDIA’s approach offers another perk in that additional drivers aren’t necessary to install Windows XP to a single Serial ATA drive; auxiliary drivers are required to install Windows to drives running in AHCI mode on the SB600. That will become a non-issue when Vista arrives because both ATI and NVIDIA are promising to have in-the-box drivers for Microsoft’s next operating system.

Microsoft drivers are actually responsible for the asterisk beside the nForce4 SLI X16 MCP’s support for ATA RAID. The chipset initially supported RAID for ATA devices, but Microsoft apparently didn’t take too kindly to its mass storage controller driver being used for a RAID device. Rather than taking on Redmond, NVIDIA has dropped support for ATA RAID on newer nForce4 chipsets, and left it out of the nForce 590 SLI. RAID isn’t really worth it on a single ATA channel, anyway.

Test notes
Since we have a Socket AM2 processor article in the works, we’ve limited the bulk of our testing to chipset features and peripherals. Expect more extensive application performance results for a wide range of Socket AM2 processors soon.

Our performance testing focuses on the CrossFire Xpress 3200 for AM2 and the nForce 590 SLI, but we’ve also thrown in a couple of Socket 939 platforms for reference. Those platforms are based on the CrossFire Xpress 3200/ULi M1575 and nForce4 SLI X16 chipsets, respectively. Note that in the graphs, our Socket 939 CrossFire Xpress 3200 appears as the “CrossFire Xpress 3200,” while the Xpress 3200 for AM2 is listed as the “CrossFire Xpress 3200 AM2.”

In order to ensure comparable results between platforms, we tested the Socket 939 boards with an Opteron 180, which runs at 2.4 GHz, and we tested the AM2 platforms with an Athlon 64 FX-62 underclocked to 2.4 GHz. Both chips are dual-core K8 processors with 1MB of L2 cache, and for all intents and purposes, the Opteron 180 is equivalent to the Athlon 64 X2 4800+. The underclocked Athlon 64 FX-62 is also equivalent to the AM2 version of the X2 4800+. In order words, this should be a like-to-like match of processors between Socket 939 and Socket AM2, leaving the chipsets on equal footing. We also used relatively relaxed timings for our Socket 939 platform’s DDR memory because the DDR2 we used for testing the AM2 boards would only run at less aggressive 5-5-5-12 timings.

To prevent BIOS- or motherboard-specific memory timing defaults from skewing our results, we made sure that as many memory timings as possible were equalized across our respective Socket 939 and AM2 platforms. We also disabled LinkBoost on the nForce 590 SLI because it’s only compatible with the GeForce 7900 GTX. A GeForce 7900 GTX was used in our test systems, but as much as manufacturers would like us to evaluate entire platforms, today we’re targeting the chipset. To indulge those wondering whether LinkBoost really does make a difference, we’ve snuck a few extra results into our multi-GPU performance tests.

Our testing methods
All tests were run at least twice, and their results were averaged, using the following test systems.

Processor Opteron 180 2.4GHz Athlon 64 FX-62 @ 2.4GHz
System bus HyperTransport 16-bit/1GHz
Motherboard Abit AT8 32X Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe ATI reference Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe
Bios revision M513A 1009 08.00.13 0401
North bridge ATI CrossFire Xpress 3200 nForce4 SLI X16 SPP ATI CrossFire Xpress 3200 nForce 590 SLI SPP
South bridge ULi M1575 nForce4 SLI X16 MCP ATI SB600 nForce 590 SLI MCP
Chipset drivers ULi integrated 2.13 ForceWare 6.85 ATI 2.5.1540.25a ForceWare 9.34
Memory size 2GB (2 DIMMs) 2GB (2 DIMMs) 2GB (2 DIMMs) 2GB (2 DIMMs)
Memory type Corsair CMX1024-3500LLPRO DDR SDRAM at 400MHz CorsairTWIN2X2048-6400PRO DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz
CAS latency (CL) 2.5 2.5 5 5
RAS to CAS delay (tRCD) 4 4 5 5
RAS precharge (tRP) 4 4 5 5
Cycle time (tRAS) 8 8 12 12
Command rate 1T 1T 1T 1T
Audio codec Integrated M1575/ALC882D with Realtek HD 1.37 drivers Integrated nForce4 SLI X16 MCP/ALC850 with Realtek 3.87 drivers Integrated SB600/ALC880 with Realtek HD 1.37 drivers Integrated nForce 590 SLI MCP/AD1988B with drivers
Graphics GeForce 7900 GTX 512MB PCI-E with ForceWare 84.21 drivers
Hard drive Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 NCQ 160GB
OS Windows XP Professional
OS updates Service Pack 2

Thanks to Corsair for providing us with memory for our testing. 2GB of RAM seems to be the new standard for most folks, and Corsair hooked us up with some of its 1GB DIMMs for testing.

Our test systems were powered by OCZ PowerStream power supply units. The PowerStream was one of our Editor’s Choice winners in our latest PSU round-up.

We used the following versions of our test applications:

The test systems’ Windows desktop was set at 1280×1024 in 32-bit color at an 85Hz screen refresh rate. Vertical refresh sync (vsync) was disabled for all tests. Most of the 3D gaming tests used the Medium detail image quality settings, with the exception that the resolution was set to 640×480 in 32-bit color.

All the tests and methods we employed are publicly available and reproducible. If you have questions about our methods, hit our forums to talk with us about them.


WorldBench overall performance
WorldBench uses scripting to step through a series of tasks in common Windows applications. It then produces an overall score. WorldBench also spits out individual results for its component application tests, allowing us to compare performance in each. We’ll look at the overall score, and then we’ll show individual application results alongside the results from some of our own application tests.

Although only one point separates the CrossFire Xpress 3200 AM2 chipset from our Socket 939 platforms, the nForce 590 SLI trails a few points off the pace. Perhaps WorldBench’s individual test results can shed some light on why.

Multimedia editing and encoding

MusicMatch Jukebox

Windows Media Encoder

Adobe Premiere

VideoWave Movie Creator

The chipsets remain close through most of WorldBench’s media editing and encoding tests, but the nForce 590 SLI trails in the Movie Creator and Windows Media Encoder tests. With the Athlon 64’s memory controller integrated into the CPU die, it’s rare to see a chipset impact performance in these kinds of application tests. The Asus M2N32-SLI motherboard we used for testing could be the culprit here.

3D rendering

3D Studio Max

The nForce 590 SLI continues to trail in both of WorldBench’s 3D Studio Max tests, while the CrossFire Xpress 3200 for AM2 is about even with our Socket 939 platforms.

Image processing

Adobe Photoshop

ACDSee PowerPack

Photoshop proves problematic for the nForce 590 SLI, but NVIDIA’s latest just edges out the Xpress 3200 in ACDSee.

Multitasking and office applications

Microsoft Office


Mozilla and Windows Media Encoder

The nForce 590 SLI pulls off a rare win in WorldBench’s Office XP test, but its glory is short-lived. The Xpress 3200 for AM2 chipset reigns supreme in the remainder of WorldBench’s multitasking and office tests, beating the nForce 590 SLI by a healthy margin in the Mozilla test.

Other applications



Winzip and Nero are close, with the Xpress 3200 finally showing some weakness in the latter.

Our first round of gaming tests focus on detail levels and resolutions low enough to eliminate our GeForce 7900 GTX graphics card as the bottleneck. Don’t you just hate it when a GeForce 7900 GTX holds you back?

The nForce 590 SLI redeems itself in this first round of gaming with strong showings in F.E.A.R., Quake 4, and 3DMark06’s CPU test. ATI’s CrossFire Xpress 3200 AM2 chipset isn’t far off the pace, but the Socket 939 platforms are consistently slower in these tests.

Multi-GPU gaming performance
Our first round of gaming tests were conducted with modest in-game detail levels and display resolutions, but we’ve cranked things up for a second round. These tests use high resolutions, maximum detail levels, and anisotropic filtering and antialiasing. We’ve tested the SLI chipsets with single and dual GeForce 7900 GTX graphics cards and NVIDIA’s latest ForceWare 91.27 graphics driver. The CrossFire Xpress 3200 platforms were tested with single and CrossFire Radeon X1800 XTs and Catalyst 6.4 drivers. We also ran some extra tests on the nForce 590 SLI system with LinkBoost enabled.

When looking at our multi-GPU performance results, pay special attention to the jump in performance from single- to multi-card configurations. We’re not out to compare the Radeon X1800 XT’s performance with that of the GeForce 7900 GTX; we just want to see how the chipsets handle the addition of a second graphics card.

Our CrossFire Xpress 3200 AM2 CrossFire configuration crashed 3DMark06’s FireFly Forest test at 1600×1200 with 4x antialiasing and 16x anisotropic filtering. The setup was fine at other resolutions and in other tests, but without the FireFly Forest test, 3DMark06 can’t generate a Shader Model 2.0 score.

Adding a second graphics card boosts performance across the board, as one might expect, and there’s little difference between the Socket 939 and AM2 platforms in most tests. It’s interesting to note that LinkBoost has virtually no impact on graphics performance at these resolutions and detail levels.

Serial ATA performance
The Serial ATA disk controller is one of the most important components of a modern core logic chipset, so we threw each platform a selection of I/O-intensive storage tests.

We’ll begin our storage tests off with IOMeter, which subjects our systems to increasing multi-user loads. Testing was restricted to IOMeter’s workstation and database test patterns, since those are more appropriate for desktop systems than the file or web server test patterns. Interestingly, only the ULi M1575 south bridge on our CrossFire Xpress 3200 Socket 939 platform was capable of running IOMeter with 128 and 256 simultaneous I/O requests. Both nForce boards and the Xpress 3200 for AM2 would only go up to 64 concurrent I/Os, but that’s a common limitation for desktop chipsets.

The M1575 may support a greater number of simultaneous I/O requests, but its performance doesn’t ramp until we move past 16 I/Os; the Xpress 3200 AM2 and nForce platforms scale at much lower I/O levels. Overall, the nForce 590 SLI takes the cake, scaling to match the Xpress 3200 AM2 at lower I/O levels, and achieving higher transaction rates up to 64 outstanding I/Os.

With the exception of the M1575, which is a little slow out of the gate, response times are consistent across the board. The nForce 590 SLI does have a slight advantage over the Xpress 3200 AM2 under heavier I/O loads, though.

The nForce platforms consume marginally more CPU cycles than their Xpress 3200 counterparts, but we’re talking about fractions of a percentage point here.

iPEAK multitasking
We recently developed a series of disk-intensive multitasking tests to highlight the impact of command queuing on hard drive performance. You can get the low-down on these iPEAK-based tests here. The mean service time of each drive is reported in milliseconds, with lower values representing better performance.

Among our AM2 platforms, the nForce 590 SLI is ahead of the Xpress 3200 in all but one of this first wave of iPEAK tests. The Socket 939 platforms steal the show in a couple of test patterns, though.

iPEAK multitasking – con’t

The results of our second round of iPEAK tests are more mixed, with the nForce 590 SLI and CrossFire Xpress 3200 passing the Socket AM2 performance crown back and forth with each test.

HD Tach
We used HD Tach 3.01’s 8MB zone test.

There’s very little variance in our HD Tach results, with the nForce platforms only showing a slight edge in the read burst speed test. That test is hampered by our Western Digital Caviar RE2 hard drive’s lack of support for 300 MB/s transfer rates, anyway.

Curiously, both our AM2 platforms have slightly slower random access times, although CPU utilization results are within HD Tach’s +/- 2% margin for error in that test.

ATA performance
ATA performance was tested with a Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 ATA/133 hard drive using HD Tach 3.01’s 8MB zone setting.

Scores are pretty close, but NVIDIA’s chipsets deliver slightly faster burst and write speeds.

USB performance
Our USB transfer speed tests were conducted with a USB 2.0/Firewire external hard drive enclosure connected to a 7200RPM Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 hard drive. We tested with HD Tach 3.01’s 8MB zone setting.

Our CrossFire Xpress 3200 AM2 platform manages a respectable performance in our USB tests, proving that ATI has addressed the SB450’s dismal USB performance with the SB600. NVIDIA still offers higher throughput with lower CPU utilization, but the difference in performance isn’t as stark as it’s been in the past.

3D Audio performance
We used RightMark 3d Sound’s Idle Threads method to measure CPU utilization with 2D and 3D audio playback. We found that this method delivers more consistent results when using dual core processors.

The nForce 590 SLI looks like a champ here, but we should note that codec drivers often define performance in this test, and with 3D audio in general. The nForce4 SLI X16 and Xpress 3200 platforms use Realtek codecs and audio drivers, while our nForce 590 SLI platform uses an Analog Devices codec and drivers.

Ethernet performance
We evaluated Ethernet performance using the NTttcp tool from Microsoft’s Windows DDK. The docs say this program “provides the customer with a multi-threaded, asynchronous performance benchmark for measuring achievable data transfer rate.”

We used the following command line options on the server machine:

ntttcps -m 4,0, -a

..and the same basic thing on each of our test systems acting as clients:

ntttcpr -m 4,0, -a

Our server was a Windows XP Pro system based on Asus’ P5WD2 Premium motherboard with a Pentium 4 3.4GHz Extreme Edition (800MHz front-side bus, Hyper-Threading enabled) and PCI Express-attached Gigabit Ethernet. A crossover CAT6 cable was used to connect the server to each system. The nForce4 board was tested with the NVIDIA Firewall and Jumbo Frames disabled.

Only the nForce platforms actually integrated Gigabit Ethernet controllers in the chipset, and they do so with exceptional throughput and reasonably low CPU utilization. The nForce 590 SLI’s low CPU utilization is especially impressive, although the latest drivers for Marvell’s 88E805x Gigabit Ethernet controllers do a pretty good job, too. That makes the Xpress 3200 AM2 platform look comparatively good in this test, although the Socket 939 Xpress 3200’s high CPU utilization with a Realtek GigE chip nicely illustrates the fact that motherboard manufacturers don’t always spec boards with the best chips.

PCI Express performance
We used the same ntttcp test methods from our Ethernet tests to examine PCI Express throughput using a Marvell 88E8052-based PCI Express x1 Gigabit Ethernet card.

Throughput is consistent across each platform, but the CrossFire Xpress 3200 AM2 manages slightly lower CPU utilization than the rest of the field, followed by the nForce 590 SLI. PCI performance
To test PCI performance, we used the same ntttcp test methods and a PCI VIA Velocity GigE NIC.

NVIDIA’s nForce chipsets manage higher throughput here, with the Xpress 3200 trailing the nForce 590 SLI by roughly 70 Mbps. That’s not much in the grand scheme of things, especially considering the nForce 590 SLI’s higher CPU utilization. We were a little perplexed to see such high CPU utilization from the nForce4 SLI X16 chipset in this test, but performance was consistent across numerous test runs and even after re-imaging the test system.

Power consumption
System power consumption was measured at the wall outlet using a Watts Up power meter. Load measurements were taken with Cool’n’Quiet disabled and the systems crunching a combined load of Cinebench 2003’s rendering test and the rthdribl high dynamic range rendering demo. Idle measurements were taken at the Windows desktop with and without Cool’n’Quiet enabled. All motherboard components and peripherals were enabled, with drivers installed, for each test system.

Keep in mind that because our AM2 platforms are using an underclocked Athlon 64 FX-62, their power consumption results aren’t directly comparable to our Socket 939 platforms.

The Radeon Xpress 3200 runs away with our power consumption tests at both idle and under load. However, it’s worth noting that on both AM2 and Socket 939 platforms, the nForce boards have a greater number of peripheral devices and expansion ports. The nForce 590 SLI board, for example, features one more Gigabit Ethernet port than the Xpress 3200 AM2 platform and an additional onboard Wi-Fi card. Those extras are likely only responsible for a fraction of the 20 W power consumption gap between the Xpress 3200 AM2 and nForce 590 SLI, though.

Although their performance is largely equivalent, the CrossFire Xpress 3200 AM2 and nForce 590 SLI really couldn’t be more different. ATI’s chipset is a rather simple affair, with a solid spec but few frills or extras, while NVIDIA’s latest nForce is jam-packed with peripherals and additional features, some of which are more gimmicky than others. Fortunately, both are easy to recommend, but for different reasons.

The CrossFire Xpress 3200 for AM2 is the first all-ATI chipset we have no qualms about recommending. ATI’s new SB600 south bridge appears to have resolved the I/O performance issues that afflicted the SB450. With a solid Native Command Queuing implementation, support for 300 MB/s transfer rates, and RAID 10, the chip’s feature set doesn’t leave us wanting. However, the SB600’s lack of integrated Gigabit Ethernet does leave the door open for motherboard manufacturers to use cheaper GigE chips with less appealing performance characteristics, specifically higher CPU utilization. Some will get it right, but as we’ve seen with Xpress 3200 platforms for Socket 939, others will almost certainly get it wrong.

Fortunately, motherboard makers shouldn’t be able to mess with the Xpress 3200 AM2’s exceptionally low power consumption and conservative cooling requirements. Those characteristics make this chipset ideal for low-noise applications, although you probably don’t need a dual x16 CrossFire board in a home theater PC.

While ATI has created a relatively lean high-performance chipset with the CrossFire Xpress 3200 AM2, NVIDIA has gone in the other direction with the nForce 590 SLI. This latest nForce packs loads of connectivity options, including an impressive six Serial ATA RAID ports and two Gigabit Ethernet controllers. Extra features are what really make the nForce 590 SLI stand out, though. Things like FirstPacket and hard drive performance profiles are particularly intriguing. LinkBoost comes across as little more than a gimmick, though, especially since its compatibility is currently limited to GeForce 7900 GTX graphics cards. NVIDIA’s much-improved nTune system utility has more potential, but as with earlier versions of the software, it’s up to motherboard manufacturers to take advantage of the app’s capabilities. Few mobo makers have fully exploited nTune’s capabilities in the past, leaving us doubtful that many will fully support the app this time around.

Features aside, the nForce 590 SLI’s peripheral and gaming performance are generally excellent. The chipset’s disk controller, Gigabit Ethernet, and USB components are particularly impressive, although our nForce 590 SLI test rig stumbled in a number of WorldBench application tests. We’re also not enthusiastic about the nForce 590 SLI’s higher power consumption and cooling requirements.

Ultimately, motherboard manufacturers must properly implement the latest AM2 core logic offerings from ATI and NVIDIA. Those using the CrossFire Xpress 3200 will have to be careful to include the right auxiliary Gigabit Ethernet chips, and they will probably want to throw in an additional Serial ATA controller with RAID 5 support. Others implementing the nForce 590 SLI will have to pay special attention to chipset cooling and would do well to include all the BIOS hooks necessary to support NVIDIA’s nTune system utility. Which chipset is right for you depends largely on whether you prefer extra peripheral connectivity or lower power consumption and heat output. I suppose if we view these chipsets as individual components, the nForce 590’s more extensive array of integrated features and peripherals make it a more impressive product. However, with the right mix of auxiliary peripherals, motherboards based on the Radeon Xpress 3200 will be very competitive.

Comments closed
    • Stijn
    • 15 years ago

    Does anyone know for witch price they’ll be avalable? The ATI board will be released at the end of june if I read right..

    • Ragnar Dan
    • 15 years ago

    Why again did you de-tune the S939 DDR board? It’s not like testing it at stock speeds but with higher wait states for the RAM makes it equal to higher-speed DDR2 RAM. It keeps the results from being straight comparisons.

      • Dissonance
      • 15 years ago

      5-5-5-12 is pretty relaxed for DDR2-800, just as 2.5-4-4-8 is pretty relaxed for DDR400. The goal was to simulate the timings you’d find on comparable DDR and DDR2 modules, and since I didn’t have any low-latency DDR2 on-hand for testing, using low latency timings on our DDR400 would have given that platform an artificial edge.

        • Ragnar Dan
        • 15 years ago

        I swear… I somehow misread the timings on the 939 boards, dang it. I thought you said you had them at CAS 5 instead of 2.5. Never mind, and sorry about that.

    • Sniper
    • 15 years ago

    Well, since I recently upgraded my system to an Athlon64 3700+, I really don’t need any upgrades.

    I bet in about a year, these first generation AM2 processors/motherboards are going to look like crap.

    …Kind of like the initial Athlon64 processors.

    I think this area is too “new” to be worthwhile. Considering the performance increase probably isn’t going to be noticeable or even justifiable for the price.

    • crabjokeman
    • 15 years ago

    Where are the VIA K8T900/VT8251 boards?

      • mrfixitx100
      • 15 years ago

      Missing in action?
      Maybe the VIA engineers (all 2 of them) are still trying to get the bugs out of the C7?

    • RyanVM
    • 15 years ago

    Minor typo: on the conclusions page, second to last paragraph. You’ve got “nForce4 590” in there ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • flip-mode
    • 15 years ago

    After reflecting on the situation for the last couple of hours, I’m inclined to give Nvidia two thumbs down for the watt sucking thermal spewing thing they have offered us. They’ve had plenty of time to work this issue out and I am truely interested in why they have not fixed things yet, and why ATI has managed to keep things under control.

    If / when I jump to AM2 it will most definitely be with ATI unless Nvidia clears this up.

    The cooling methods that need to be employed to remain passive, while somewhat aesthetically appealing to me, are ridiculous.

    None the less, it is nice to see the mobo makers bending over backwards to give consumers passive designs.

      • mesyn191
      • 15 years ago

      LOL, its just 40w more. If this was a 1 or 2U server we were looking at then yea that be a big deal, but this is a just a desktop computer. 40w more will not make or break the platform.

      Quit making mountains out of molehills.

        • fatpipes
        • 15 years ago

        Have you touched an nForce4 chipset heat sink? It’s ridiculous how hot it gets. If your chipset fan dies, it’s not pretty.

          • indeego
          • 15 years ago

          Don’t normally go around touching them, but when/if they die, I replace them. Not a big dealg{<.<}g

            • crabjokeman
            • 15 years ago

            It’s a pain in the @$$, as you’ll probably have to remove the mobo. And if you have to put the system back together, there’s always the chance of screwing up.

            It’s just a waste of time and money, especially when the competition doesn’t have the same problem.

            The 40mm 8000RPM fans are also an insult to the ears of everyone in the room, especially when they’re starting to die.

        • crabjokeman
        • 15 years ago

        JUST 40W??!!! (Actually I thought it was 20W).

        That’s a lot for a chipset, and it’s hard to cool without custom heatpipes ($) or a tiny fan, which will most likely be cheap and die a fairly quick death while emitting a horrible (and loud) noise reminiscent of a swarm of bees.

        Also, that 20W will need to be removed from the case or it will help heat other components. For those interested in quiet computing, (many of whom learned their lesson with the NFurnace4) this WILL be a deciding factor, especially when IGP versions of these chipsets surface in mATX form for use in HTPC’s.

        • wierdo
        • 15 years ago

        I hope it’s not 40W indeed, cause that’s pretty bad… we’re talking about a mobo chipset for crying out loud! ๐Ÿ˜€

        The last piece I want to worry about in a machine would be the mobo, it’s the biggest hassle and the most crippling problem you can have with a machine to have its mobo go bad. Such a hot chipset is not a pretty solution, if a competing solution is close in performance and has the features needed for me, but doesn’t have the same heat/power consumption issues, then I don’t see how I could say no to the competition in that case.

    • whobday
    • 15 years ago


      • Dissonance
      • 15 years ago

      There is no *need*, but as the quote says, they “will probably want to throw in,” if only to remain competitive from a features standpoint. Even with auxiliary SATA RAID and GigE chips, an Xpress 3200 board should still draw far less power than one based on the nForce 590 SLI.

    • Flying Fox
    • 15 years ago

    Looks like Charlie is not pleased with power consumption as well.

    ยง[<<]ยง Chipsets need to be on the same manufacturing process soon?

      • flip-mode
      • 15 years ago

      At 90 nano, they already are, yes?

        • Flying Fox
        • 15 years ago

        They need to go to 65nm. Intel is already at 65nano.

          • flip-mode
          • 15 years ago

          with chipsets? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

          Anyway, just go with ATI.

            • Shintai
            • 15 years ago

            Nah, 965/963 and ICH8 will be first 90nm chipset parts. All current is 130nm parts sofar I recall.


            • Flying Fox
            • 15 years ago

            It’s still an alarming trend. 100+W just for devices on the motherboard? It’s getting crazy there…

      • Proesterchen
      • 15 years ago


        • Flying Fox
        • 15 years ago

        Well, if they do have a hot running chip, advanced process will be one way of (hopefully) solving the issue.

          • Proesterchen
          • 15 years ago

          Most certainly true, but I’d rather pin my hope on the ULi guys nVidia assimilated a while ago.

    • donkeycrock
    • 15 years ago

    hey , you didnt show a picture of the front of the the mobo, how dissaopionted i am of you. ๐Ÿ™

    • donkeycrock
    • 15 years ago

    i was excited about the new nforce 5 boardes when i read the spects of it, but after looking at the numbers, i see dont, any reason to upgrade. and the worste part is that if we have two nforce video cards, we cant get the new ati chipset mobo, and versa. so they need a standard of sli, so they can all share and we can swap about with our sli set up for other chipsets.

    good read,

      • indeego
      • 15 years ago

      Better yet, ignore SLI as an amusing gimmick for rich kids, and let’s move on alreadyg{<.<}g In 5 years we'll either be laughing at SLI in systems, or we'll be dealing with 16X slots of graphic cards and Delloogle mandating it required for Microhoo! Valley g{<'<}g15

    • shank15217
    • 15 years ago

    I like the channel bonding idea. Its been around forever except that it was pretty useless because pci bus bottlenecks limited performance. Channel bonding drivers have been around in linux for several years. Good for small beowulf clusters and storage servers. 2 GBps puts it about the same throughput as infiniband 2 and myrinet. If the TOE can work in bonding mode it will be a great cheap server node solution.

    • just brew it!
    • 15 years ago

    Whoa… look at the cooling on that nVidia chipset! Guess it runs a little hot, eh?

    At least it’s passive… no whiny little fans to crap out on you and cook your chipset.

      • Damage
      • 15 years ago

      It needs that cooling, too. Maybe more.

        • Chrispy_
        • 15 years ago

        You mean it was unstable during testing, or just that you feel it was so hot on an open testbed that you have concerns about it in an enclosed case?

          • Damage
          • 15 years ago

          Those cooler fins will burn your hands, and the motherboard winds up cranking up the CPU fan in order to push air across them. The fan gets loud. Also, the fan doesn’t have a linear speed ramp, and transitions are very quick and frequent when the thing is under load.

          Could be worse because it’s running next to me right now with LinkBoost enabled. I may have to turn that off and see if it helps.

          • just brew it!
          • 15 years ago

          Actually, it’ll probably cool /[

            • Chrispy_
            • 15 years ago

            ….but that would be countered by the fact that the CPU fan is only sucking in the freshest, coolest air on an open bench – which we all know doesn’t exist in a closed case. In an enclosed case the CPU adds it’s energy to the already warm air and ends up blasting the chipset cooler with /[

    • lethal
    • 15 years ago

    nice review as ussual ๐Ÿ˜€

    minor pick in page 3

    “NVIDIA has taken seemingly forever for NVIDIA to offer an alternative to AC’97”

    • kvndoom
    • 15 years ago

    I just read Xbit’s review of the AM2 CPU’s. It pretty much boils down to: If you have Socket 939, keep it. If you don’t, wait.

      • indeego
      • 15 years ago

      TR’s and [H]’s pretty much concurg{<.<}g

      • Ruiner
      • 15 years ago

      Thhhbbbbbbtttt. My 754 nf4 will do nicely until .65 dual cores become plentiful and sanely priced.

        • Chrispy_
        • 15 years ago

        Not to mention that a most of the venice core’d sempron64’s can be clocked to 2.6GHz on stock cooling…. 1.6GHz –> 2.6GHz for $0 seems like a pretty good deal to me, and I didn’t have to sacrifice 64-bit (not that anything really uses it yet….)

    • mrfixitx100
    • 15 years ago

    Where, oh where, has VIA gone?
    Oh where, oh where, can they be?

      • shank15217
      • 15 years ago

      haha you made a funny

        • mrfixitx100
        • 15 years ago

        1) Funny? just as long as you don’t own stock.
        2) Funny? I guess they are placing all their eggs in that mini ITX crap basket.
        3) Funny? Who else is going to keep chipset prices from soaring?
        4) Funny? The computer repair business will recieve a big blow if folks stop buying crap with VIA chipsets.

          • swaaye
          • 15 years ago

          I remember it being said that the only reason VIA ever went anywhere in chipsets was Athlon. VIA was the only company to really jump on Athlon and build good (yes they were for the most part) chipsets for the CPU while everyone else was scared (other than AMD’s own initial chipsets).

          When NV and now ATI showed up and really took the market seriously, VIA was doomed.

          And that seems to be just what has happened, especially with the BS proprietary dual-GPU interfaces. I’d still buy a VIA board though. I don’t see myself ever going dual GPU. I was quite happy with KT133A and KT266A from like 2000-2003. I also had a K8M800 in a notebook and that worked flawlessly.

          nForce 1/2/3/4 is definitely not perfect in my experience, nor is ATI’s stuff from what I’ve read. VIA doesn’t suck until you go back to like K6 stuff. Of course, some boards are badly implemented because VIA and SiS stuff is invariably used on the cheapest boards too.

            • Buub
            • 15 years ago

            Not entirely true. VIA also made the first really affordable dual-processor chipset for the PIII, and it worked quite well for workstation type boxes. I had two of them and one of them is still in operation.

            • Stijn
            • 15 years ago

            Well, my VIA mainboard for my Pentium III sucked bigtime.. I/O errors al the time.. Ditched it only 7 months ago. So far I didn’t have any issues with the nForce4 SLI, although it does requires more cooling (could also be the Athlon X2, however)..

    • Hattig
    • 15 years ago

    ATI looks good this round, and the >20W savings in system power consumption is good too.

    Minor USB speed issues aren’t a major thing now they’re in the same ballpark.

    Looking forward to the AM2 processor review. I noticed some interesting performance increases in some of the games between S939 and AM2, and that was at 2.4GHz.

    • Bensam123
    • 15 years ago

    w00t tests that stress PCI/PCI-E slots now! Guess this shows not all slots are created equally. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Just gotta make sure the results are all the same for different PCI-E (x1, x4, x16, etc.) slots across the board. Too bad you guys didn’t do this before PCI-E came around, you could test shared IRQ PCI slots for poor implimentations/performance hits.

      • Bensam123
      • 15 years ago

      I know it’s taboo to reply to your own post but I thought of something interesting…

      Something such as a Gigabit controller may not be fully exploting any weaknesses because it doesn’t fully utilize all the bandwidth available to a PCI-E slot (it does for a normal PCI slot though). Perhaps a HD raid card with two drives in raid0 but that would require extra work. Food for thought.

      It would be nice if onboard raid solutions were tested as well to give a all around performance view of the board, I know there have been individual articles in the past looking into onboard raid solutions but I think it would be faster if it was done while testing boards out (or chipset implementations). Everything else on the board is tested now except raid capabilities so why not go full circle?

    • HisDivineShadow
    • 15 years ago

    What is the deal with those low Crossfire numbers? Crossfire is pumping out numbers about the same speed as a single GPU in the SLI board and that, somehow, doesn’t seem accurate when I think back to the various benchmarks I’ve seen elsewhere.

    Is it a new driver or what? Because even the old SLI x16 is pumping out much better numbers in FEAR than it used to… Are you sure 16aniso and the AA are taking because the numbers are showing a wide performance advantage in nVidia’s favor…

    EDIT: Nevermind. Forgot to read. Duh. ๐Ÿ˜› Why didn’t you just use the newer 1900XT with 1900CF? Then I wouldn’t be a goof. ๐Ÿ˜›

    • YeuEmMaiMai
    • 15 years ago

    I used nvida once for a chipset, never again. Used SiS 0 problems, used Intel, 0 problems, Using ATi, 0 problems. Used Nforce4 and my crap locked up all day long…………..

      • HisDivineShadow
      • 15 years ago

      My experience has been similar. When my nforce3 motherboard gave up the ghost recently, I took the chance to go back to Intel (Yonah+Aopen975x) and have enjoyed it thus far. I have had nothing but trouble with nVidia and VIA. Good things with Intel’s chipsets. Can’t wait for Conroe proper so I can get away from the limited expansion of this Yonah, but it’s still very nice.

      The thing about this review, now that you mention it, that stood out to me is that they take on nVidia’s word that their ActiveArmor… er… I mean… whatever they’re calling it now is working.

      nVidia initially promised ActiveArmor would work with the nForce3 motherboards. It didn’t. It was broken.

      nVidia then sold the nforce4 on the idea that ActiveArmor would work now. Oh, there were problems, but NOW at long last, they are fixed. Nope. Again, it’s broken.

      And suddenly, nVidia is AGAIN promising that they’ve fixed them and AGAIN it’s a new feature because nVidia is again promising they fixed those problems.

      I mean, come on. And each time, they benchmark it to find out that yes, the networking engine is faster only to find out later that the thing is spewing out corruption. The reviews are never updated and the information is out there. nVidia is depending upon the reviewers not to go back and update the information, not to go back and undo the stellar reviews they gave back at chipset launch because how many people do searches on chipset reviews without looking for technical articles on why certain features later failed?

      This article was very generous to nVidia’s MULTIPLE failures on both the ethernet front and the ATA front. Did they finally get them right or are they going to be laden with corruption with certain configurations again? I sure couldn’t tell from this warm, loving joy that reviewers give toward nVidia products time and again with barely a hint of doubt about what nVidia has done so badly in the past.

      At some point, you have to start requiring them to PROVE the features work rather than wait for them to fail (again).

      • thecoldanddarkone
      • 15 years ago

      Probably one of the reasons why I am an intel fan today… (being somewhat serious). I had problem with nf chipsets I wanted to kill something, although I think the funniest thing about this is they are building a quality stable image platform, (its supposedly why they won’t allow sli on the intel motherboards). I agree though, I did do better with ati chipsets.

        • Saribro
        • 15 years ago

        Well I’ve never had a single issue with any chipset. That includes 2 nForces, a notorious VIA 686 southbridge and vague SiS/Ali chipsets.

    • Shintai
    • 15 years ago

    So the 590chipset is slower than nforce4, uses even more power at load.

    Whats the progress part?

      • shank15217
      • 15 years ago

      the benchmarks dont show that.. you seem to take out what you like and post it on the forums. May want to read the actual review and look at all the benchmarks.

    • Proesterchen
    • 15 years ago


      • danazar
      • 15 years ago

      It’s slow, but not *as* slow. Basically, things have improved to non-ridiculous levels, and the fact that they’re making gains is considered acceptable enough for now.

        • Proesterchen
        • 15 years ago

        To some being slow instead of ridicously slow might be acceptable, I for one am looking forward to using an Intel chipset again, they tend to just work. Only a few weeks to go …

          • Flying Fox
          • 15 years ago

          That’s why I have been saying that most AMD enthusiasts’ wet dream is to for Intel to make a chipset for AMD. But then Hell has to freeze over first.

            • pepys
            • 15 years ago

            Hahahha, that’s pretty funny. Sort of like Airbus building wings for Boeing. Yup. Eh, 200 bucks for a mobo, 280 for RAM, 400 bucks for a chip. Hey, gettin kind of expensive here. Umm, 300+ for a fast card…

            /self implodes

            I’m gonna hold on to my AGP for another year.

    • Convert
    • 15 years ago

    Nice review. I don’t see myself purchasing AM2 equipment but if there is a need I would be going with ATI. Quite a few of the extra features on the 590 don’t seem to do squat…

      • A_Pickle
      • 15 years ago

      My thoughts exactly.

      • Philldoe
      • 15 years ago

      *Has heart attack*

      Did I just read that?

        • Fighterpilot
        • 15 years ago

        Yes you did…LOL

        • Convert
        • 15 years ago

        I have always tried to give credit where credit was due, just because I harp on the fanboys doesn’t mean I root for the other team.

      • flip-mode
      • 15 years ago

      I agree, ATI seems to have the goods this time around.

    • nihilistcanada
    • 15 years ago

    Both seem to be good chipsets. But as an owner of an Nforce4 the thought of more Nvidia gimmickry would tip my choice to ATI this round. They still havent offered fixes to my boards generation of users. Who’s to say the new chipset is any more reliable?

    Reliability should be the number one concern of any motherboard chipset.

      • Chrispy_
      • 15 years ago

      Aye. Nvidia are becoming the IT equivalent of a phone salesman:

      “I’d like a new phone please”

      q[<"Sure, here's our latest model. It's a phone, a camera, a PDA, an MP3 player, a video player, a toothbrush and a hedge trimmer and it comes with this 2 tonne crate of self-tangling miscellaneous accessorries"<]q "I don't want all of that though, I just want a phone" q[<"Security, would you please kindly escort this gentleman to the basement and educate him in our ways?"<]q

        • Philldoe
        • 15 years ago

        hehe I like that.

      • Delphis
      • 15 years ago

      I agree, reliability is the main thing I want a chipset for. I’m not fond of all the crap nvidia likes to put in their chipsets. I just don’t see the need.

      I don’t agree with the ‘you’d only need to worry about the quiet cooling in a home theatre PC’ mentioned in the article. No, you really SHOULD worry about cooling since if your ambient temperature is up because your chipset is effectively a 20W heater then it will affect the cooling of everything else. I’m thinking the people that MOST want a cool chipset are those wanting to overclock CPU or graphics card since it reduces the heat output of the whole system that you’re having to handle in the case.

        • Flying Fox
        • 15 years ago

        Some people just want quite computing, period. Not necessarily just HTPC.

          • flip-mode
          • 15 years ago

          Um, I know you meant quiet. And I’m one of those quiet freaks. I’m always trying to tweak just a little less noise outta my machine. Installed a fanless NB cooler on my NF4 board the other day. Got a low RPM 12cm case fan, a Zalman 7000 at minimum RPMs too. PSU is a dead silent Coolermaster. At this point, I’m worried more about quiet than speed.

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