The TR Podcast 11: The system guide to knols and rants

Date: July 26, 2008

Time: 1:14:14

Hosted by Jordan Drake

Co-Hosts: Scott Wasson, Cyril Kowaliski, Geoff Gasior

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Show Notes

It’s been a while since we’ve tackled a lot of tech news, and this episode brings a bundle of interesting stories. Scott talks about AMD’s new CEO, Cyril reveals that the Internet actually works in France (who woulda thunk it?), Geoff has an actual rant! and Jordan isn’t so convinced that Google’s Knol will find a place in his bookmarks or yours. Our editors also tackle the latest midrange chipset from Nvidia and our Summer 2008 TR system guide.

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Listener Mail:

Two GPU related questions (0:03:18) – from JMC:

“Any sign of “non reference” 4850 and 4870 cooling designs? I want to buy one of each, and EVERYTHING I read talks about how hot, hot, hot they are… 80+ degrees C.

I do not want to pay $40 more for an after market cooler and
void my warrentee all at the same time.”

“I keep reading that video card ram takes an equal
bite out of your system ram. So what happens happens with a couple of 1 Gig cards in crossfire in a system with only 2 Gigs of system ram??”

Tech News:

    AMD announces $1.2-billion loss, appoints Dirk Meyer as CEO (0:17:13)- Read more

    AMD confirms fab business spin-off, then backtracks (0:22:10)- Read more

    LG readies low-cost subnotebook (0:30:09)- Read more

    New Eee PC 1000HD features Celeron processor (0:34:00)- Read more

    ‘Mojave’ showcases Vista’s image problem (0:39:45)- Read more

    Google opens Wikipedia rival to the public (0:46:34)- Read more

Tech Topics:

    Nvidia’s nForce 750a SLI chipset (0:55:27)- Read more

    TR’s Summer 2008 system guide (1:01:11)- Read more

That’s all, folks! Check back on Aug 2 for the next TR podcast.

Comments closed
    • Hance
    • 13 years ago

    Well I got the iPod. I spent way more than I should have but this touch screen is just to dam sexy to pass up.

    • steelcity_ballin
    • 13 years ago

    Whose watch alamer goes off at 1:09:38 ?

      • jdrake
      • 13 years ago

      HA! Good call…. I think that’s my wrist watch telling me the bottom of the hour (beeps every hour)….

      You guys are observant…

    • MrBlarg
    • 13 years ago

    Wii games:

    1) Mario Galaxy (No exceptions. You must buy this.)

    2) The whole Metroid Prime series (You’ll need a GCN controller for the first two. MP3 has probably the best Wii controlling scheme ever. /[

    • bogbox
    • 13 years ago

    $700 for a netbook? You
    I better buy a PDA or any true mobile phone if I wont to be “mobile”.
    Or a real laptop , yes a cheap laptop, but a still a laptop.The new IGPs are real good , so you can even play lot of games.
    How much cost a cheap Puma?
    800$ ??
    I think from 180 millions at last half are not 64bit.

    • Fighterpilot
    • 13 years ago

    To Jordan re sound probs: I found the MP3 download was stopping and starting a lot…to the point where I had to shut it down and use the “listen now” option which worked fine from start to finish.
    Re TR clothing: A really cool black fleece jacket with white TR logo for those with a few more bucks available for “boys toys” stuff would be awesome…

    • Hance
    • 13 years ago

    Hey I am thinking of getting a zune what are the odds of getting the podcast added to zune marketplace ?

    edit: forget that request. The zune software is the biggest abortion mess i have ever seen in my life.

      • eitje
      • 13 years ago

      looks like 54 minutes took care of that. 😉

        • Hance
        • 13 years ago

        You got that right.

        I compared the features of the Zune vs. iPod and I think the zune has a slight edge. The zune has a bigger screen, built in fm tuner, and wireless syncing.

        When it comes to the software side of things though the zune is an absolute wreck. The zune marketplace has no borders on any of the sections to break things up, with no borders between sections everything just kind of runs together. All of the skins for it are ugly. The video and the audio selection sucks compared to iTunes. iTunes may not be perfect but it is so far ahead of Zune that there is no comparison.

          • CampinCarl
          • 13 years ago

          Can you do direct loads with the Zune (i.e. like my Zen Touch, plug it in via USB and access it like a removable disk, drag and drop)?

            • Hance
            • 13 years ago

            From what I have read no I dont think you can. I could be wrong though.

            • MrBlarg
            • 13 years ago

            Yes. I don’t do podcasts on my zune, but you can download the m4a file from the rss feed and put that in your podcast directory and it will auto sync. I think it also supports chapters, but don’t quote me on that one.

      • Usacomp2k3
      • 13 years ago

      The Zune device itself is quite good. I’d recommend it. The PC software, well yeah, not so hot. That said, I can’t stand iTunes either, so both are just as bad.

        • Dissonance
        • 13 years ago

        What’s unfortunate is that while it’s easy to use Winamp to load up an iPod… you can’t do the same with a Zune.

        • Hance
        • 13 years ago

        I know I am in the minority here but I actually like iTunes I have used it for years. Its easy to find what you are looking for. Everything is divided up in categories like it should be and for what I want in a mp3 program its fine. It is kinda bloated and slow but i can live with that part.

    • DrDillyBar
    • 13 years ago

    RE: HD4870 temps.
    Editing your profiles negates the issue. I run 1 at 34% and the other at 55% (idle and gaming). Idle temp is 44C
    ( _C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Local\ATI\ACE\Profiles\*.xml )

    <Property name=”FanSpeedProtocolProperty” value=”Percent” />
    <Property name=”FanSpeedAlgorithm” value=”manual” />
    <Property name=”Want” value=”0″ />
    <Property name=”Want” value=”34″ />

    Edit: YMMV – I’m using a VisionTek

      • Prototyped
      • 13 years ago

      I think the 4850’s single-slot cooler is considered more of an issue, and it’s likely to emit noticeably more noise if the PWM profile indicates a higher fan speed.

    • Prototyped
    • 13 years ago

    Not all the Atoms support 64-bit (in fact, right now, only one model does, and it doesn’t sell nearly as well as the Atom N270 that’s found in all those Atom-based netbooks — those that don’t use the Dothan Celeron Ms, which, by the way, also don’t support 64-bit instructions either). See

    §[<<]§ (Yeah, yeah, I know, I'm quoting Wikipedia, but still, this is trivially verified off Intel's site.) §[<<]§ Also, Core Duo may be the only recent straggler, but it was an overwhelmingly popular straggler. Remember that the initial revisions of the MacBook, MacBook Pro and Intel iMac used Core Duo and were immensely popular, and that's /[

      • Damage
      • 13 years ago

      Ah, crippled products. Several points: 1) Doesn’t really affect Vista target systems. 2) Making an OS choice on the basis of future crippled products would have been the tail wagging the dog. 3) So run Vista 32 on the crippled stuff, but don’t make it the default mainstream choice.

        • Prototyped
        • 13 years ago

        Regarding point 1, this is true, netbooks are more meant to run XP or Linux.

        Regarding point 2, it isn’t just about future products — when Microsoft released Vista, they wanted to sell to an existing installed base of users running Windows XP. This meant both end users and businesses with legacy hardware going back up to three years (since many businesses have three-year upgrade cycles) — that’s all the way back to 2003, when Intel didn’t make 64-bit chips at all — a lot of which doesn’t have 64-bit support (Pentium M, Core Duo, Pentium 4 5xx, even Pentium 4 Northwood). Keep in mind that Intel didn’t really start selling 64-bit capable processors until 2005, and that Vista was introduced less than two years later. It’s not as big a deal not to make Vista 32-bit available retail for /[

          • Damage
          • 13 years ago

          You make some good points, and you’re probably right about corporate upgraders who have lots of older PCs on hand. But I still maintain that MS should have pushed Vista x64 as the “default” version for new PCs and for whomever could run it. Corporate customers weren’t gonna adopt Vista immediately, anyhow, and most will wait for a hardware upgrade cycle. Sure, some older systems (and Core Duos) would have required the 32-bit version, but selling a brand-new PC capable of hosting 4 to 8GB of RAM or more with Vista 32-bit–as most PC makers are still doing today–is lunacy.

          Even crazier, some of the big guys like Dell and HP started out selling PCs where the x64 version of Vista is only available as an upgrade to Vista Ultimate. So if you want your new PC to be able to use all of the RAM, you have to purchase OS features you don’t need. I dunno, perhaps they’re still doing that. Also, looks to me like Dell and HP aren’t even offering Vista x64 as an option on many new systems today.

          MS has enough clout to push the PC makers to do the right thing, and they would have benefited from a straightforward sales pitch for Vista (“More room to expand.”) thanks to its 64-bitness had they done so.

            • Prototyped
            • 13 years ago

            I agree completely that OEMs should really be pushing Vista x64 /[

    • Prototyped
    • 13 years ago


    Re: 64-bit Vista, the problem with forcing people to go 64-bit wholesale is that a /[

      • Damage
      • 13 years ago

      Atom supports 64-bit extensions. Really, the Core Duo is the only fairly recent and mainstream straggler. Given that, I think MS and PC makers should have led with the x64 version of Vista and de-emphasized the 32-bit version, leaving it out there only for upgraders.

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