The TR Podcast 33: Facebooking, SSDs on steroids, and the bacon explosion

Date: Jan 31, 2009

Time: 1:28:28

Hosted by Jordan Drake

Co-Hosts: Scott Wasson, Geoff Gasior, Cyril Kowaliski, Joshua Buss

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Show notes

This week really has it all. We start with listener mail, as Scott and Geoff answer questions about solid-state storage and the future of AMD. Our recent escapade into the wacky world of Facebook generates buzz both in the comments and among our panelists, Josh Buss joins us to talk about a very unusual ATX case design, and we talk about Gmail getting better for the corporate world. Lastly, the Kansas City original “bacon explosion” has our editors drooling on mic… and Damage promises to benchmark the BBQ beauty this weekend.

Send in listener mail, and we’ll answer on the podcast. – jdrake@techreport.com

Listener mail:

Raid 0 with the ANS-9010? (0:02:19) – from AJ aka Usacomp2k3:

“I know you already covered the ans-9010 in the last podcast, but I have a quick question regarding it: In theory, splitting a drive into 2 ‘drives’ and using an external storage controller to group them in RAID 0 should result in zero performance gain. The only time this wouldn’t be the case is if the controller within the drive is less than up to the task of delegating the workload properly. I’m guessing that’s why the ANS-9010 sees such an improvement.”

SSDs for the swap drive (0:06:14) – from Chris:

“How does the staff at TR feel about using smaller SSDs as a swap drive? I know you guys talk about the marginal increase in boot times, however using a SSD as a swap drive must be preferable to a mechanical drive. Has anyone been doing this and if so, any noticeable performance increases to warrant the price tag for a smallish 8gb SSD drive?”

How is AMD going to survive? (0:10:36) – from Suspenders:

“After reading through AMD and Intels X86 licensing agreement, it appears that the agreement allows Intel to cancel it if AMD declares bankruptcy. Since this would effectively kill the microprocessor part of the company, what do you think is the chance of this happening, and what are AMD’s other options to stay alive short of bankruptcy? I ask because it seems to me that Intel would probably take any opportunity to cancel the agreement if they could (see recent letters and grumblings from them about wanting to have a little chat over the Foundry Company spin-off).”

Tech discussion:

    TR on Facebook (0:19:14)- Read moreOur Facebook page

    Lian Li’s TYR PC-X500 Enclosure (0:28:43)- Read more

    A look at four X25-E Extreme SSDs in RAID (0:44:58)- Read more

    Western Digital makes 2TB Caviar Green official (0:50:22)- Read more

    Stanford prof replaces David Kirk as Nvidia Chief Scientist (0:54:30)- Read more

    Google takes Gmail off the cloud (0:58:53)- Read more

    Survey: Your netbook and you (or other people) (1:07:47)- Read more

    The Bacon Explosion…. taking bacon to the next level (1:17:35)- The recipeNY Times story

That’s all, folks! Check back on February 7 for the next TR podcast.

Comments closed
    • Suspenders
    • 11 years ago

    Hey, thanks for answering my question! That was quite informative.

    I never really considered the “leverage” that each company has over the other, but it makes loads of sense now that you mention it. Tinkering with the license seems like a veritable minefield to both AMD and Intel, as you describe it. I’d say you have a good sense, Scott, thanks again 😉

    §[< http://contracts.corporate.findlaw.com/agreements/amd/intel.license.2001.01.01.html<]§ That is the agreement (or most of it) if anyone else is interested in looking at it. Section 6 is the "termination clause".

    • SecretMaster
    • 11 years ago

    I really hope the water cooling article sees the light of day. I’ve always wanted TR to tackle something water cooling related. I cannot wait.

      • Tamale
      • 11 years ago

      Any suggestions? What would you like to see?

      I’m leaning toward comparing four setups.. stock air cooled, aftermarket air-cooled, all-in-one watercooling kit cooled and custom watercooling gear cooled.. all with the same components, then comparing highest overclocks and noise levels. Whatcha think?

        • ssidbroadcast
        • 11 years ago

        If you want to stay true to a cost-benefit analysis nature, then I suggest you by the cheapest 45nm dual-core money can buy, pair it with a water-cooling rig to the highest clock you can get, and then compare its benches with a comparable dual-core or quad-core w/ stock cooler and settings. This is the option you /[

          • ssidbroadcast
          • 11 years ago

          Actually, after giving it a second listen, you mentioned that the 45nm AMD processors are good candidates. I have an idea:

          Cheapest AMD PhenomII + Water cooling = X amount of dollars.

          Intel-based (either C2Q or i7, up to you) with same X amount of dollars.

          See which is faster for the same amount of dollars.

        • SecretMaster
        • 11 years ago

        That is exactly what I was thinking. I mean just a standard test of water cooling vs. air cooling (stock and aftermarket). Also factoring in price as well, as that is a big factor. Basically is going with a water cooling rig truly worth the huge price premium you pay? How much more effectively does water cooling a) reduce temperatures inside the case b) reduce noise levels c) improve OCing leverage.

        Also how difficult is it for one to setup their watercooling rig? Was it time consuming/frustrating or was it relatively straightforward and simple?

    • ssidbroadcast
    • 11 years ago

    I think Asus owes it to you guys to sponsor the Podcast at least once. Heck, you collected really useful netbook focus group data for them.

    • indeego
    • 11 years ago

    ditto. picture opened my eyes. 2 techs 1 GPUg{<.<}g

    • Usacomp2k3
    • 11 years ago

    Thanks for answering my question. I didn’t think about the 3gbps transfer limit since for most hard-drives that’s high enough. Good call.

    • Pax-UX
    • 11 years ago

    LoL geocitys!!! Pastblast!

    Not to preempt the outcome of the watercooling article. But it isn’t worth the money these days as it’s too much work for very little additional overclock on midrange CPUs, the money spent on the waterloop could be invested into a CPU class upgrade. You really have to want max performance at any cost, or just want to do a water build. But that’s not the real problem! There’s the long-term maintenance of the water, this is the real problem with a waterloop. You have to top up the anti-algae, I used to do this every 4 months. But then I left the rig for about 6 months without use and had to do a complete drain & clean, took about a day. So a couple of years on, it’s a pain and ended up just removing the waterloop from my old AMD gaming rig and gone back to air. IMO there’s so much CPU power available at good prices it’s the GFX cards that need to be watercooled! not the CPUs. As the GFX is the nosiest component, but getting a good waterblock for GPU is expensive!

    If anyone’s interested in my old waterloop build:
    §[<
    http://www.techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=39015<]§ I'm with Jordan on the gMail thing, Hotmail has been doing this for a good while now. So it's not a big deal in my book either. Netbook, wishlist: 9” screen, Perfect HD playback + resolution. Around the €350 mark. Bacon Explosion! YEAH! Batter it up and deepfry I like the way you guys think. So did you cook-up a batch? Yeah, deafening noise at the very end of the podcast, some of us actually listen to the whole thing. Great show guys!

      • Farting Bob
      • 11 years ago

      You want to watch 1080p blu-ray video on a 9 inch screen? Why?

        • Pax-UX
        • 11 years ago

        I phrased that wrongly, I mean web HD which seems to have it’s own standards. Like Youtube and a couple of other video sites, that HD. It’s less then 720p.

          • Usacomp2k3
          • 11 years ago

          I thought it was right at 720p.

    • Pachyuromys
    • 11 years ago

    If applicable, please excuse my ignorance, but… what happened to the Intel guy?

      • _Sigma
      • 11 years ago

      Thats next week, IIRC

    • _Sigma
    • 11 years ago

    Are there no bookmarks this episode?

    Thanks for answering my question too 🙂

      • jdrake
      • 11 years ago

      Whoops – just realized that – fixed!

    • A_Pickle
    • 11 years ago

    I’m listening to the Facebook portion right now…

    …but, I mean, I think it was a great idea. Social networking IS Web 2.0, and putting a presence on Facebook was an excellent idea. You’ll reach a more of an audience, and you’ll be able to connect with your users a little more.

    I’ll be honest: I’m a fan of facebook. I love the idea of sort of “sharing” parts of my life with people who are estranged from me. It’s not like I completely lack a social life, but I have friends who I don’t see very often, they living 45 to 90 miles away etc. They don’t know that I shoot soda cans with my AR-15 on spare weekends, or that I installed Mac OS X on my 2.4 GHz Northwood machine.

    Beyond that, it’s an unmatched way of unifying events and such — for example, my friends and I have a group for our LAN parties, so… I’m able to schedule a LAN party a month in advance for all my friends to request that date off from work/finish their homework from university. And these are friends from all over my local area — not my city, mind you, but people living in Laramie (45 mi west of me) or Denver (90 mi south of me). With that Facebook group, we’re also able to coordinate what games we’re going to play — and by extension, what games people should strive to deal-hunt for, and eventually buy.

    It has made LAN parties go from half-baked, frazzled attempts at community gaming to coherent, large, and downright fun events. It’s a complete blast — and at the end of it all, we’re able to view the group’s photos and sort of “re-live” the LAN party, and/or let people see our ridiculousness. 😀

      • Usacomp2k3
      • 11 years ago

      You don’t have e-mail?

        • Meadows
        • 11 years ago

        With all due respect, using a social networking site is thrice as easy and presentative as e-mailing a lot of random people.

        • A_Pickle
        • 11 years ago

        I’m sorry, I wasn’t aware that e-mail allowed people to customize an editable page that everyone (or just a select group of people) can access to see relevant information pertinent to the group subject? E-mail has photo galleries that can be tagged with people, which directly links to their profile page (which contains more contact information of that person)?

        …You’ve never actually used Facebook, have you?

          • Usacomp2k3
          • 11 years ago

          I’m just saying that we’ve always organized them in the past via e-mail and it hasn’t been a problem *shrug*

        • eitje
        • 11 years ago

        And when you sent email to people about this, I’m sure a lot of people said “You don’t have a phone?”

        Face it, buddy – communication technology advances.

      • Meadows
      • 11 years ago

      “You’ll reach a more of an audience, and you’ll be able to connect with your users a little more.”

      And get more ad revenue in the end! Everyone wins.

    • clone
    • 11 years ago

    their was mention that Intel dropped the price of it’s SSD’s to $400.00 what capacity was it?

    also where can that price be had if it’s for the 80gb model.

      • Asbestos
      • 11 years ago

      At newegg, the 80GB X25-M was $400 a few weeks ago. Its back up to $520 now. The 30GB X25-E is $420 but out of stock.

    • green
    • 11 years ago

    jordan, i got a loud artifact in the last second or two of the mp3 which was a loud noisy partial repeat of the copyright note

    • BoBzeBuilder
    • 11 years ago

    GAWD that looks tasty. I’ll be buying some bacon tomorrow, or just get a baconator.

      • VILLAIN_xx
      • 11 years ago

      That didnt look like bacon to me when i first glanced at it. lol.

      :-X

        • RickyTick
        • 11 years ago

        Same here. It looks like a turd. lol

          • willyolio
          • 11 years ago

          yeah. i was wondering “what is TR doing with a piece of fake plastic poop?

      • A_Pickle
      • 11 years ago

      Looked a little overcooked to me… but tasty nonetheless…

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