The TR Podcast 108: Take three tablets and call Dr. Kepler in the morning

The Tech Report Podcast Date: March 25, 2012

Time: 1:40:11

Hosted by Jordan Drake

Co-Hosts: Scott Wasson, Geoff Gasior, and Cyril Kowaliski

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After a fresh helping of listener mail, Scott gives us his hands-on impressions of the new iPad. We discuss the brilliant new display, the size and weight differences from the iPad 2, and how this newest revision positions Apple in the tablet market. Then, we take a look at Ice Cream Sandwich running on Asus’s Transformer tablets, and we examine Cyril’s review of the half-tablet, half-smartphone Samsung Galaxy Note. Finally, Scott gives us the ins and outs of the impressive new GeForce GTX 680 from Nvidia.

Send in listener mail, and we’ll answer on the podcast. – jdrake@techreport.com

Follow us on Twitter – ScottJordanGeoffCyrilThe Tech Report

Listener mail/tweets:


Ivy Bridge RAM speed?(0:01:21) – from Pete:

“Thanks for answering my questions on last podcast. It really helped.one additional, the crew did not indicate what the default RAM speed of Ivy bridge would be. With RAM prices so low, I’d like to get that now if I can. In a recent article I read it will overclock RAM up to 2800, but I have seen little to nothing on the interwebs about the default speed. Thanks again, Pete in Maryland.quot;

SSD selection (0:03:08) – from JMC:

“Wanted thoughts about putting SSD on Sata 3G -intel with TRIM or Sata 6G -Marvel probably no TRIM. Crucial M4 Adrenaline cache SSD 50GB Plugged into ASUS U3S6 add in card. Marvel 9123 Sata 6 controller. From what I’ve read it is a real mess about if the Marvel chip 9123 and driver (newest)1.0.0.1036 support TRIM or not. W7-64 trim ready. Thanks”

Tech discussion:

    The new iPad (3rd-gen) has arrived – (0:04:28) – Read more

    Asus’ Transformer tablets share an Ice Cream Sandwich – (0:20:28) – Read more

    Life with Samsung’s Galaxy Note – (0:34:08) – Read more

    Nvidia’s GeForce GTX 680 graphics processor – (0:48:20) – Read more

That’s all, folks! We’ll see you on the next episode.

Comments closed
    • rjseo
    • 7 years ago
    • ssidbroadcast
    • 8 years ago

    Geoff tellingly quiet during most of the iPad 3 discussion–except when it comes to points of criticism. SHOCKING.

      • dashbarron
      • 8 years ago

      Credit where credit is due. If all the high points have been discussed, then the low points should be noted.

      Someone has to do it.

      • dashbarron
      • 8 years ago

      Apologize good sir: [url<]https://techreport.com/discussions.x/22720[/url<]

    • Darkmage
    • 8 years ago

    Someone in there (I think Cyril) was lamenting the fact that few phone manufacturers leave well enough alone with stock Android.

    I humbly suggest he check out the Nexus line of phones. They are usually (not always) pretty close to stock Android. I have a Galaxy Nexus and their implementation is pretty close to bone stock. There are a couple apps that are included that you can’t get rid of… but that’s all they are: apps. The interface, options and the like are pretty much stock ICS.

    I rooted & replaced the OS with one of the enthusiasts ROMs, one that was designed to be as close to stock from Google as possible with a couple options thrown in. Honestly, it’s hard to tell the difference between Verizon’s version and the enthusiast version.

    So if you don’t like TouchWiz, HTC Sense, MotoBlur or any of that other stuff, check out the Galaxy Nexus.

    • dashbarron
    • 8 years ago

    I don’t know Scott. Not that I agree with the iPad buzz (or lack of) you’re talking about, but I understand it — it’s not amazing.

    When people are used to being wooed by Apple, and they see a product which instead of being magically thinner or lighter, is astonishingly thicker and heavier! “Just a better screen” isn’t enough to wow enough people, especially if they can’t see it.

    And honestly…while the screen would be nice, if I had an iPad 2 I couldn’t justify the expense — and I’m not opposed to the iPad. I understand how you can in your position, but I don’t think a lot of other people can.

      • travbrad
      • 8 years ago

      I think he’s right about a lot of people just not being able to see much difference in resolution either. My Grandpa doesn’t notice any difference between the SD and “HD” channels on TV, but the difference is night and day for me.

      [quote<]And honestly...while the screen would be nice, if I had an iPad 2 I couldn't justify the expense -- and I'm not opposed to the iPad. [/quote<] Yeah I think that's part of it too. The high res display is really nice, but even if you appreciate the display a lot of people will find it hard to justify another $500-800 purchase less than a year after buying the iPad2. Owners of the original iPad are probably more likely to buy this than iPad2 owners. I think it's similar to the iPhone in that respect. Very few people buy every new iPhone, but a lot of people jump from the 3G to 4S or from the 3 to 4, etc

    • travbrad
    • 8 years ago

    I like the high res display on the new iPad, I’m just not interested in the tablet itself, particularly for the cost they charge. I already have a laptop and eReader so I just don’t think I’d hardly ever use it.

    I hope it pushes resolutions up and prices down for monitors in general though. The monitor I use now (1080P) barely has more pixels than the monitor I used in 2001 (1600×1200), and the costs were pretty similar too actually (the CRT was A LOT heavier though)

    • Arclight
    • 8 years ago

    Yo Scott, i’m glad you enjoy a higher DPI screen so i’d like to ask, when can we expect this DPIs for desktop PC monitors? I mean if a tablet GPU can drive such a display, a discrete card shouldn’t even sweat it….

    Also some cool new tech for future diplays (specially for tablets me thinks):
    [url<]http://www.kitguru.net/peripherals/monitors/blair-mcclelland/samsungs-e-ink-lcd-mashup-coming-in-2013/[/url<] I haven't finished listening to the whole podcast, when i do maybe i'll edit my post.

      • Damage
      • 8 years ago

      No idea when we’ll see that sort of pixel density on the desktop. By all rights, with the PC’s much higher thermal envelopes, separate components that can be kept for many years, and professional/workstation applications, desktop displays should have moved in this direction sooner. However, PC displays sit further from your face, PCs have really good sub-pixel font rendering, and the cost of making a panel rises exponentially with its size. So… hard to say.

      Looks like the next step for the desktop is 4K monitors. Saw something like this at a visit to AMD a few months back:

      [url<]http://www.eizo.co.jp/products/id/fdh3601/[/url<] Nvidia says the GTX 680 will drive 4K displays, as well. The pixel density isn't iPad-like, but it did look to be higher than my 30" Dell.

        • Arclight
        • 8 years ago

        Using pixel density calculator that monitor seems to have a PPI of 127.22……

        *Sigh*

          • ImSpartacus
          • 8 years ago

          That’s about 25% higher density than most monitors today! Not bad at all.

          I used [url=http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/03/apple-ipad-3-ipad-hd-liveblog-2949.jpg<]this new iPad slide[/url<] and slightly modified formulas from [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_size#Conversion_equations<]this[/url<] wikipedia page to find what resolution would yield Retina-i-ness on a screen of any size and aspect ratio. Long story short, sqrt(D^2H^2/(W^2+H^2))/2(d)tan(a/2) is the height (short side) of this resolution and the width (long side) of the resolution can be found by multiplying the width and the aspect ratio. Variable definitions can be found at the sources. For a 24" 16:9 monitor viewed at 30" that has as much Retina-i-ness as the iPhone 4, we only need 1292.91 rows of pixels. So today's $200 1080p monitors are almost there. 1440p in a 24" 16:9 at 30" would be [i<]more[/i<] Retina-y than the iPhone 4! From a different perspective, a 24" 1080p monitor has as much Retina-i-ness as the iPhone 4 from 36" away (actually, you only need 1077 pixels at 36", so 1080 does the job). So you'll be pleased to hear that you already have a retina display on your desk. Just get three feet away from it. EDIT Made [url=https://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=81092<]a thread[/url<] about this subject.

            • mcnabney
            • 8 years ago

            Perceived resolutions are all about distance. Higher DPI means you can be closer to the screen for the same perceived resolution. Obviously this also allows a larger viewable area and more detail to pack into that area.
            The desktop target resolution really should be 4k. But don’t expect those panels anytime soon or at prices that people want to pay. The medical and professional community has been paying big bucks for those type of screen for a long time (FYI -4k monitors have been commercially available for over a decade)

    • kamikaziechameleon
    • 8 years ago

    The transformer pad seems like its missing something without that 1920×1200 display… hopefully that will be resolved shortly.

    • ChangWang
    • 8 years ago

    Scott, I’m totally with you on the android updates thing. However, I believe getting devices updated from one version of android to the next is more than just skin deep. Touchwiz, Sense and all these other “skins” are more than just a theme that changes icons or colors, etc. They actually modify the framework of android itself. The framework is sort of the basis of a lot that goes on underneath the hood so to speak. All that heavy modification makes for a lot of work when changing versions. And with ICS being a huge departure from Gingerbread, putting 50 devices out a year, and dealing with carriers on top of that, I can see where it takes a lot of time to get it right.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not letting any of these device manufactures off the hook. Asus has shown that it is more than capable of handling OS updates properly. I fully believe it has everything to do with the fact that they don’t change alot.

    To use a car analogy. If all the device makers were all given a Nissan 370Z. Samsung, HTC and others are doing engine swaps with standalone engine management, coilovers and racing slicks. Asus is just dropping in a new air filter, exhaust and summer tires and running it as it is. Despite all the changes, at the end of the day Asus is still able to keep up (or surpass in this case) with the big boys with a minimalist approach.

    P.S. If someone can explain the framework thing better than I did, feel free

      • NarwhaleAu
      • 8 years ago

      Enough with the car analogies. All you needed to say was: In my opinion, the amount of time it takes a manufacturer to implement an android update is inversely proportional to the amount of junk they stick into the code or onto the surface of Android.

      On the plus side, your car analogy wasn’t quite as bad as the one on the GTX 680 review comments talking about multiple engines in a single car…

        • ChangWang
        • 8 years ago

        LOL Point taken. I couldn’t think of anything else, tbh. I also haven’t made it through the entire 680 thread. Sounds like it was pretty rough in there

    • odizzido
    • 8 years ago

    I haven’t used an ipad3 yet, but I am not excited about it at all. Sure the screen is probably nice, but tablets are useless for me.

    If they were to sell 20+inch stand alone monitors I might be interested, though my next monitor will be 120hz for sure.

    • ssidbroadcast
    • 8 years ago

    Just perused the show notes. No Radeon 7800 discussion?? What gives?

      • shank15217
      • 8 years ago

      Yea some discussion about the Radeon 7870 is warranted, in-fact this card clocked at 1200 MHz is a formidable competitor to the 7900 series and the 680s. Its certainly slower than both however its power profile is awesome. Considering it’s nearing 80 mm smaller than the 680 I would consider this an extremely efficient GPU.

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