The TR Podcast 131: News from GDC and FCAT attacks

The Tech Report Podcast

Date: March 31, 2013
Duration: 1:57:46

Hosted by: Jordan Drake

Co-hosts: Scott Wasson and Cyril Kowaliski

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Show notes

This episode kicks off with some listener mail, including a rant from a disgruntled GeForce GTX 680 owner. Then, Scott gives us the scoop on AMD’s, Intel’s, and Nvidia’s announcements and demos from the Game Developers Conference. To wrap things up, we spiral down the crazy rabbit hole that is Nvidia’s FCAT frame capture system, which gives us new insights into the veracity of Fraps benchmarks and the problems with CrossFire.

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Listener mail:

DDR3 Prices? – from Phillip – (0:02:11):

“As reported by yourselves and other tech reporters, DDR3 prices have been going up recently for various reasons (windows 8 launch, DDR4 coming in a few years). My question is: are these reasons enough to buy memory now, on the speculation that the all-time-low prices of last November are gone for good? Or, am I safe waiting for 3 months, which is when I plan to be building my personal gaming rig to coincide with Haswell?”

Is this it? – from Dan – (0:06:27):

“Just saw the early benchmarks on Haswell. 7-13% gains? Wooptee doo! That’s it? Really? My question. When, if ever, are we going to see some actual significant bumps in real world performance? These constant and never ending baby steps year after year while we fork out big bucks for(upgraded my gtx580 to 680) for new hardware each year for what, 10% gains? 20% gains at best? What a **** joke. We’re still using DDR3 for God’s sake! And don’t even get me started on Titan. $1000 clams for finally some actual significant numbers over a 680? Ok great! But $1000 bucks? Hey Nvidia, atleast pull my hair while screwing me! Is it great engineering? Sure, i’ll give credit where credit is due, my 680 runs cooler and quieter than my 580 did, great thank you.
But games today still stutter and hitch at times in 1080p on the highest end of gear. Are we going to be forever stuck in this endless cycle of baby steps year after year? And with mobile on the rise i’m afraid the focus now is ever more on less power, less heat, and not so much huge leaps in REAL framerate improvements.”

Tech discussion:

That’s all, folks! We’ll see you on the next episode.

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    • melissanxel032x
    • 6 years ago
    • danny e.
    • 6 years ago

    Lets be clear on one thing. The “Dan” who wrote the rant was NOT me.

    yikes.

    • Chelseyg1244
    • 6 years ago
    • Aprilg039xoxo
    • 6 years ago
    • sarahmarshallpsu230
    • 6 years ago
    • jackiesz0911a
    • 6 years ago
    • sarahatler008
    • 6 years ago
    • chuckula
    • 6 years ago

    That second questioner apparently answered his own questions with his rants about performance improvements not being good enough for whatever metric he has invented.

    Q:Would I recommend upgrading to get a 10% performance increase?
    A: No.
    Q: Am I upgrading to Haswell?
    A: Heck Yeah.
    Q: Am I getting a 10% performance increase in the upgrade?
    A: No, more like 150% in single-threaded and 400-500% in multi-threaded applications.
    Q: Whah??
    A: Unlike some people, I see no need to run out and buy the highest-end parts every 6 months and then complain about it. For the record, the rate of performance improvements hasn’t really slowed down by a huge amount, but new models of CPUs are coming out more often than they used to. The time delay between 386 –> 486 was between 4 and 5 years, which is roughly the delay between first-generation Nehalem and Haswell. Now go look at the peak AVX throughput for Haswell… 4 times faster compared to the old SSE in Nehalem. Also look at the power savings you are getting in the process.

    • flip-mode
    • 6 years ago

    Bioshock Infinite is the 2nd game I’ve ever played that makes me motion sick.

    Tomb Raider is pretty awesome.

    Thanks to Never Settle Reloaded, my more-than-year-long fast from gaming is broken.

      • nanoflower
      • 6 years ago

      I’m not surprised that BI gave you motion sickness after watching some of Jesse Cox’s play through of the game. It’s a twitchy game based on what I saw.

      Though I am surprised that it’s only the second one. I gave up on most FPS after finding myself unable to play Half Life for more than a few minutes. Too many seem to go for instant switch as you look from side to side which seems to aggravate the feeling. That was one thing I liked about Crysis 3. The motion was much smoother and a bit slower so it didn’t result in the same feeling of motion sickness as Bioshock Infinite seems to provide.

        • flip-mode
        • 6 years ago

        It’s not the first-person point of view that gets me, it’s the fact that all the structures in the cloud city are bobbing up and down and back and forth; at least, I think that’s part of the issue.

        • axeman
        • 6 years ago

        Someone said adjusting the FoV helps with this… I’ve yet to give it a try since I’ve pretty much had to give up FPS games, most of them made me completely nauseous since about 12 years ago.

    • RtFusion
    • 6 years ago

    From my POV, you don’t *need* to buy new hardware at every refresh and then hope find mind-blowing performance increases. You will save much more money that way.

    I’ve gone from an AMD Athlon XP 2000+ (Yay socket A!) coupled with an nForce 4 chipset for integrated graphics. Upgraded to a faster GPU from nVidia, the GeForce FX 5700LE.

    Had that same setup for 3-4 years in high school.

    Managed to save some more money and finally upgraded to an Intel Core2Duo E7300 and an ATi PowerColour HD4870 OC. And boy, that performance difference was absolutely MASSIVE and I couldn’t be happier with the system at the time. However, it is showing its age these days.

    Had that system for almost 3 years and ready for another overhaul and I am currently waiting on the Corsair 900D to become available to purchase as I don’t want to pre-purchase it. Basic gist of the system is an Intel i7 3770K with plans to OC it to 4.5 GHz and an AMD XFX Double D HD 7970 GHz edition which would be perfect for my Asus PA248Q display (was running some Acer display at 1680×1050).

    I would predict that the jump would also be very welcoming although not as large as going from a Athlon system. But it will still be sizable.

    I guess some would have more money than common sense when they complain about minimal performance increases between a Intel Core i7 3770K vs 4770K with games or office applications or between a Geforce GTX 580 vs a GTX 680 @1080P. Save yourself some time, internet rage, and money and simply *wait* for the desired hardware to become mature AND and at lower prices.

    Especially between generational refreshes.

    • Freon
    • 6 years ago

    The TR Podcast 130: A series of grunts about convertible tablets.
    The TR Podcast 131: A series of runts on your desktop.

    • odizzido
    • 6 years ago

    I haven’t seen a game use a good amount of ram for a long time now. Tomb raider only took about 700, which is less than the original FEAR.

    I think this will change when the new consoles come out.

    • travbrad
    • 6 years ago

    As someone who buys GPUs in the $200 range, I’m pretty happy with the gains we’ve had. A $200 GTX 660 is pretty much neck-and-neck with a GTX580 (which launched at $500). Of course we’d all like to see more performance and lower prices, but I don’t think the GPU market is moving THAT slowly.

    CPUs on the other hand I tend to agree are moving pretty slowly. We do have a lot of unused cores when it comes to gaming though (even now a lot of games still only use 2-3 cores). I’m hoping the multicoreness of the next gen consoles will help alleviate that problem somewhat though.

    • wiak
    • 6 years ago

    1. You dont buy a new graphics card when a new one comes out
    2. You dont run *new* games at ultra duper high end with AA/AF at max
    3. Buy new graphics card when its ~50-70%+faster like HD 5870 > HD 7970
    4. Run your *new* games at High not Ultra High with medium AA/AF
    5. Case Closed

      • Airmantharp
      • 6 years ago

      It’s good advice; I followed it till I went to 2560×1600, and then all bets were off. But at 1080p (used to be 1280×1024, etc.) that works for most people. Hell, I still don’t get to run games at Ultra, even with a pair of GTX670’s.

        • flip-mode
        • 6 years ago

        Man, I thought I was hard for luck, but I didn’t realize the suffering of those playing at 2560×1600.

    • theadder
    • 6 years ago

    [quote<]And with mobile on the rise i'm afraid the focus now is ever more on less power, less heat, and not so much huge leaps in REAL framerate improvements."[/quote<] Good! The move to lower power usage can't come fast enough, as far as I'm concerned.

    • killadark
    • 6 years ago

    the north korea and usa war was already predicted in a game years ago (HOMEFRONT)

      • BoilerGamer
      • 6 years ago

      +Red Dawn Remake & Olympus Have Fallen

      • Airmantharp
      • 6 years ago

      …the BF4 video is set in China?

    • wizpig64
    • 6 years ago

    Thanks for the answer guys. I suppose memory kits with their razor-thin margins are not much to fret over, especially when we’re on the brink of thermonuclear war. –Phillip

    • Arclight
    • 6 years ago

    Laugh all you want but North Korea is going to have the last laugh.

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