A quick look at Nvidia’s GeForce GTX 1060 graphics card

Nvidia’s GeForce GTX 1060 graphics card is here. Just a couple weeks after AMD’s Radeon RX 480 delivered VR-capable performance to the $200-and-up price point with a new Polaris 10 GPU, the GTX 1060 brings the benefits of Nvidia’s Pascal architecture to a wider audience at $249.99 and up. We already covered a few details of this card after its launch last week, but all the wraps are off this morning. Nvidia says it’s hard-launching the card today, and there doesn’t appear to be any staggered availability—both partner cards and the Founders Edition card should be available now.

Source: Nvidia

You should refer to our original article for a primer on the GTX 1060 if you haven’t already before reading this brief overview of the GP106 GPU and its performance. You should also check out our Pascal architecture deep-dive and our GeForce GTX 1080 review for more information about what’s going on with Nvidia’s latest generation of graphics cards.

The GP106 GPU

The GTX 1060 is powered by a new Pascal GPU called GP106. To make this chip, it seems Nvidia’s product team fired up the world’s tiniest chainsaw once more and cut the GP104 GPU in the GTX 1080 in half, save for a turn around some ROPs and memory controllers. This chip has 1280 stream processors spread across 10 Pascal SMs. It talks to 6GB of GDDR5 memory running at 8 GT/s across a 192-bit bus. Here’s a distillation of the chip’s specs in convenient tabular form for easy cross-generational reference.

  ROP

pixels/

clock

Texels

filtered/

clock

(int/fp16)

Shader

processors

Rasterized

triangles/

clock

Memory

interface

width (bits)

Estimated

transistor

count

(Millions)

Die size

(mm²)

Fab

process

GP106 48 80/80 1280 2 192 4400 200 16 nm
GM206 32 64/64 1024 2 128 2940 227 28 nm
Polaris 10 32 144/72 2304 4 256 5600 232 14 nm

The GP106 GPU. Source: Nvidia

That strategy gives GP106 a nice resource boost in almost every regard compared to the GM206 chip in the GTX 960, and GP106 runs quite a bit faster than even the most hopped-up GTX 960s did. The GTX 1060 boasts 1506MHz base and 1708MHz boost clocks. Nvidia says its tests show that the chip has considerable overclocking headroom, too, so we wouldn’t be surprised if the partner cards going on sale today have plenty of extra oomph out of the box.

The bare GTX 1060 Founders Edition card and the GP106 GPU. Source: Nvidia

Do some simple math with Nvidia’s provided specifications and you get this table of theoretical maximum results for the GTX 1060. We’ve included the GTX 960 and GTX 980 for comparison purposes here, as well as the Radeon RX 480.

  Peak pixel

fill rate

(Gpixels/s)

Peak

bilinear

filtering

int8/fp16

(Gtexels/s)

Peak

shader

arithmetic

rate

(tflops)

Peak

rasterization

rate

(Gtris/s)

Memory

bandwidth

(GB/s)

GeForce GTX 1060 82 137/137 4.4 3.4 192
GeForce GTX 960 38 75/75 2.4 2.5 112
GeForce GTX 980 78 156/156 5.3 5.0 224
Radeon RX 480 41 182/91 5.8 5.1 256

Compared to the Polaris 10 chip in the Radeon RX 480, the GTX 1060 might seem to come up a bit short. That Radeon has 2304 stream processors, so its theoretical performance in some measures considerably outpaces the GTX 1060. Our Beyond3D testing shows that the RX 480 doesn’t always meet its theoretical maximums, however, while GeForce cards generally can—especially in pixel fill rate, where the GTX 1060 has a leg up on the RX 480. Pascal also has a powerful delta-color-compression facility that allows it to extract more effective memory bandwidth in some situations than our calculations might suggest. Our gut instinct is that the RX 480-GTX 1060 matchup is going to be a pretty close one.

Internal performance numbers and the value proposition

Sadly, we don’t have a GTX 1060 in the TR labs yet for testing, so we don’t have detailed performance numbers to share with you today. To offer at least some perspective on the GTX 1060’s performance, however, we will share Nvidia’s internal average FPS performance results for the GTX 1060 compared to the Radeon RX 480. These numbers don’t deliver the kinds of detail we’d want to make a final judgment on the card’s performance, but they do offer a picture of its performance potential.  Here are some DirectX 12 numbers to kick things off. Take these numbers with the usual mountain of salt. It’s worth noting that Nvidia didn’t test the RX 480 or the GTX 1060 with the latest drivers for either card, so these numbers may not reflect current performance with either product.

Source: Nvidia

In the popular Ashes of the Singularity benchmark, the GTX 1060 and RX 480 appear to be neck-and-neck. Rise of the Tomb Raider tends to favor Nvidia graphics cards, and its performance numbers with the GeForce GTX 1060 bear that out.

Source: Nvidia

In some of the DirectX 11 titles we like to test, the GTX 1060 seems to do well under some punishing settings. We might dial back the anti-aliasing in Crysis 3 to push frame rates up a bit, but the card seems to do OK in the other titles Nvidia demonstrated here.

Source: Nvidia

In an assortment of other titles, the GTX 1060 appears to maintain small-to-significant leads over the Radeon RX 480. Once again, these numbers should be taken with a grain of salt, but they offer a nice preliminary picture of how the GTX 1060 will slot into the market.

At a suggested price of $249 for partner cards and $299 for the Founders Edition card available direct from Nvidia, the GTX 1060 could sell for anywhere from $10 to $60 more than the RX 480 8GB card. Those prices seem to mesh with the card’s potential value proposition, depending on how much one trusts Nvidia’s internal performance results. If custom cards sell for close to $249, the midrange graphics market is about to see some furious competition. We’ll have to perform our own testing as soon as we can and see whether our advanced metrics bear out these initial impressions.

Comments closed
    • Rectal Prolapse
    • 3 years ago

    Just an FYI – NVIDIA released a hotfix driver to fix high DPC latency spikes in Pascal cards:

    [url<]https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/951723/geforce-drivers/announcing-geforce-hotfix-driver-368-95/[/url<] For reference: [url<]https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/941579/geforce-1000-series/gtx-1080-high-dpc-latency-and-stuttering/1/[/url<] Myself, my system shows high DPC latency, but gameplay isn't affected on my system, aside from occasional audio stutter/pops on the desktop.

      • wiak
      • 3 years ago

      side from occasional audio stutter/pops on the desktop. <- is a big deal..

    • jokinin
    • 3 years ago

    Need those 99th percentile TR graphics, otherwise I find all other reviews with average FPS useless.

      • ChicagoDave
      • 3 years ago

      Honestly I feel like 95th percentile is a much more useful number. If 95% of my frames are at or above 60, I’m good. 99th saying 35fps doesn’t tell me much about the overall gameplay.

      2 standard deviations is what I’m after.

      [url<]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/68%E2%80%9395%E2%80%9399.7_rule[/url<]

      • spiritwalker2222
      • 3 years ago

      I feel 99th percentile is more relevant than 95th. I don’t care how many fps I’m getting. It just needs to be smooth.

      edit: and it’s the outliers that ruin the experience.

      • DoomGuy64
      • 3 years ago

      I find last gen fixed 60 hz monitors useless. Upgrade.

      Also, stuff like FCAT was intended for driver programmers and game developers with performance analysis. It does show capability in a sense, but it was originally intended for debugging. Most of these results used in benchmarks are completely invalid after a single driver update. Pretending like they matter more than raw horsepower is naive at best. Frametimes test driver performance, not hardware capability.

    • PrincipalSkinner
    • 3 years ago

    I just wanted to say this :
    [url<]http://itsvet.com/graficka_karta_asus_geforce_gtx_1060_strix_gtx1060_o6g_gaming-pdaa1-25.i?id=4344[/url<]

    • Unknown-Error
    • 3 years ago

    So it beats the 480 even in DX12? Ooppsss…….

    • tipoo
    • 3 years ago

    HardOCP’s game choices were more DX12/Vulkan than the average review, and they cast the 480 in a more favorable light competitively. Similar with many other sites DX12/Vulkan tests.

    [url<]http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/07/19/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1060_founders_edition_review[/url<] It will be interesting going forward, that's for sure....I suspect like a lot of the time, AMD will have ained for tomorrow while competitor X aims for today, and AMD suffers for it.

    • chuckula
    • 3 years ago

    So it’s definitely another Ngreedia paper launch.

    Here it is and I had to wait until [b<]THE NEXT DAY[/b<] to get my in-stock $249.95 custom card order completed from Newegg. [url<]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500402[/url<] How can you support such an evil company like Ngreedia that plays these marketing games with their launches? HOW CAN YOU I SAY!?!?!?!

      • anotherengineer
      • 3 years ago

      A 1080 and now a 1060, you should get some shares 😉

        • chuckula
        • 3 years ago

        Well, the secondary machine needs an upgrade. I don’t use it for crazy 3D games but it does need to drive a future high-refresh rate monitor and have full HEVC decode capability that the existing 5 year old Fermi card doesn’t handle.

      • flip-mode
      • 3 years ago

      Chuck, you are one of the regulars in the comments that makes a big deal out of everything and you get thin-skinned about too many things. Please just relax. This is CLEARLY not a paper launch and frankly YOU are the only one that I have seen use that term. Yeah, TR did an availability check when they didn’t do one for the RX 480. You can take that it different ways – one way to take it suggests that someone at TR thinks there might be higher demand for the GTX 1060 so it was worth doing an availability check. Another way to take it is that someone just had the time to look into it with the 1060 and didn’t have that time when the 480 launched.

      Point is, we should all keep calm. It’s a fricking video card. No one’s life is in peril if there is limited launch availability or if one card is faster than the other. This Nvidia / AMD fanboy crap is about as stupid as it gets.

        • bjm
        • 3 years ago

        Man, he’s still doing it. I’m with cegras, he needs to be banned. He’s driving the comments section into the ground.

          • cegras
          • 3 years ago

          I tried starting a forum thread to debate it, but it was removed.

        • RAGEPRO
        • 3 years ago

        But we did do one for the RX 480.

        [url<]https://techreport.com/news/30330/radeon-rx-480-availability-check-act-fast-before-theyre-gone[/url<]

          • sweatshopking
          • 3 years ago

          GTFO, FACTS MAN. TRUTHINESS IS ALL I CARE ABOUT.

        • anotherengineer
        • 3 years ago

        Indeed.

        I think since TR has these silly +/- ranks, maybe they should introduce things along with them, such as maybe a free silver subscriber bonus’s for those that hit say +300 in a month, or bonus gerbil ranks or something, maybe Ned Flanders gerbil? Likewise maybe people that rack up -100 in a month get a 1 month ban for being a negative contributor, or poorer gerbil ranks, like fanboy gerbil or gerbil troll, etc. ?? Or maybe just a wall of shame/hall of fame, where the top totals of negative/positive comments get summed up in real-time for everyone to see??

        Edit – or put the lifetime total thumbs right beside their name whether + or –

        What do you think TR admins??

          • derFunkenstein
          • 3 years ago

          I’m not a TR admin or even an independent contractor, but I think that positive/negative is only loosely related to the actual usefulness of a given comment. Trolls could drive insightful posters right off the site (literally) a month at a time.

            • anotherengineer
            • 3 years ago

            Ya the ban thing is probably a bit too far, but I think the total ups/down besides ones name or a gerbil name ranking based on up/downs beside ones name in the comment section only would be cool. (since forums are based on quantity of posts)

            • derFunkenstein
            • 3 years ago

            I would get behind auto-hiding posts above a certain neg:pos ratio.

            • chuckula
            • 3 years ago

            Bear in mind that comment above was in direct response to your earlier troll. Your troll got a bunch of upvotes since it feeds into preferences of a subset of the readers around here, but there’s nothing better about it from a factual perspective than what I posted.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 3 years ago

            Wait, what?

            Edit: Oh, wait, that. Yeah, fine, whatever. Have fun tilting at windmills.

            • chuckula
            • 3 years ago

            Scroll down a bit to your +9 rated comment with the lovely outrage at Nvidia over the fact that Asus decided to put out an expensive custom GTX-1060 card on launch day.

            That’s a good ol’ fashioned troll that got upthumbs because it feeds the prejudices of some people around here that are looking for any out now that the reality of the RX 480 being it from AMD for the next 6 – 9 months is starting to set in.

            Meanwhile, plenty of other posts showed $250 GTX-1060 cards available too, but that didn’t seem to get much traction in the feeding frenzy. What’s even funnier is the people who have no intention of ever buying the Rx 480 acting like the $199 4GB model that you can’t buy anyhwere is the new standard when the real models that AMD sent out to the review sites are a whopping $10 cheaper than what I paid.

            Just because you got upthumbs and didn’t get attacked for the post doesn’t mean it wasn’t a troll.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 3 years ago

            I figured it out. Like I said.

            [quote<]Have fun tilting at windmills.[/quote<]

            • derFunkenstein
            • 3 years ago

            Plus, the Zotac card is out of stock again.

            • chuckula
            • 3 years ago

            Who’s tilting at windmills exactly?
            How many trolls in this thread — and there are plenty — have I personally attacked and demanded to be banned from TR for merely having an opinion I disagree with?

            • bjm
            • 3 years ago

            YOU are tilting at the windmills because YOU are the one attempting to demonize everyone for their posts and trying to paint them as a demented AMD fanboy. YOU are the one who brings this AMD vs nVidia fanboy talk into every comment thread. You act like we’re doing this simply because we’re AMD fanboys, but it’s not that–l33t-g4m3r was banned and HE was an AMD fanboy attacking everyone for being in nVidias pocket book.

            You are just like him.

            Hopefully, you’re banned your inflammatory posts that do nothing but fan the fanboy flames.

            • chuckula
            • 3 years ago

            I might actually read a word of your personal attacks if literally one post by you in this thread was even remotely relevant to an analysis of the GTX-1060 or even GPUs in general.

            Both you and your pal Cegras have literally only posted personal attacks against me while literally having nothing of value to say.

            • bjm
            • 3 years ago

            Quit trying to act like you’re posting here because you want quality discussion. Look at your own post that started this thread. Do you really expect us to believe that you’re intention is to have a level headed discussion on availability? Or is it instead aimed at some imaginary AMD fanboy that refers to nVidia as nGreedia, that has called this launch a paper launch, that said nVidia is evil and that said they play marketing games at launch?

            Please, spare me your BS.

            • cegras
            • 3 years ago

            ROFL

            There is nothing unique about your contributions. Anyone can summarize and come to proper conclusions about the benchmark results without your executive summary. Your contributions are entirely fungible, but your toxicity is entirely unique. You need to be banned.

            • Waco
            • 3 years ago

            You might be a pain in the ass, but I, for one, find it entertaining that your comments regularly bring the trolls out of the woodwork. 🙂

            Not that I agree with you much of the time, but it is entertaining.

            • bjm
            • 3 years ago

            [quote<]your comments regularly bring the trolls out of the woodwork[/quote<] Exactly. But you find that to be a good thing? I, for one, prefer a much more level headed conversation without the distraction of repeated fanboy accusations. Sure, there other posters who certainly have a preferred vendor, but no regular is more guilty of fanning those fanboy flames than chuckula. The fact that he tries to portray himself as neutral makes it all the more irritating since he's as guilty as the fanboys he vilifies. Compare his reaction to AMD not sending TR a Radeon Pro Duo vs. nVidia not sending a 1060. On one hand, he is reduced to profanities and burns AMD, and on the other, he goes out of his way to perform nVidia damage control and buy one himself. Hypocrisy at its finest.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 3 years ago

            See, your first mistake was assuming I was trolling. The windmill in this case was me merely noting the effects of supply and demand. Then you went berserk.

            edit: and as NeelyCam noted, that crazy high price didn’t stop the card from selling out. There’s clearly a shortage. Which fine, big deal, nobody gives any shits because it came out yesterday.

          • Freon
          • 3 years ago

          The up/down voting is the worst thing that TR has done in years. It should simply be removed. It encourages passive-aggressive behavior, and there is endless bickering about the vote counts.

          Remove it ASAP. It was a massive mistake. Please. I say this as a gold subscriber for several years who gets extra “votes.”

            • DoomGuy64
            • 3 years ago

            What’s really bad is the rampant gold subscription abuse. Shills can just buy a couple gold accounts, and rig the votes all they want. Notice how most of the worst abusers have gold accounts? Yeah. The marketing perf/$ is insane compared to sponsored ads that can potentially be blocked. Advertisers make out like a bandit by purchasing gold accounts and voting up shills, not to mention downvoting into oblivion anyone who disagrees.

            I know TR has policies about professional accounts, but that only applies to honest people. Dishonest marketers aren’t going to follow the rules. The only way to clean it up is to remove the bonus votes of gold subscribers. The extra votes aren’t why regular users subscribe anyway.

          • Mr Bill
          • 3 years ago

          I think the +/- are informative. My suggestion would be to do like the ArsTechnica forum and list +’s, -‘s and the net count. That would be interesting to see.

    • beck2448
    • 3 years ago

    [url<]https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1060_Gaming_X/29.html[/url<] Smokes FE

    • Pancake
    • 3 years ago

    What a sad state of affairs. I have read a bunch of reviews out there and they’re mostly superficial crap. How to fix Techreport being kicked off the preview list in NVidia?

    There seem to be a couple of NVidia engineers on here. Guys, please put in a good word?

      • MOSFET
      • 3 years ago

      It will take more than engineers.

    • Srsly_Bro
    • 3 years ago

    I can’t wait to get two and SLI them…….

      • anotherengineer
      • 3 years ago

      lolz

      and I know you know, but good luck with that 😉

      • LocalCitizen
      • 3 years ago

      you sortta can… all software dependent tho:

      [url<]http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2519-gtx-1060-sli-benchmark-in-ashes-multi-gpu[/url<]

    • chuckula
    • 3 years ago

    Not a direct review of any one piece of hardware but this is a very interesting look at Asynchronous Compute in the Time Spy benchmark: [url<]http://www.futuremark.com/pressreleases/a-closer-look-at-asynchronous-compute-in-3dmark-time-spy[/url<]

      • anotherengineer
      • 3 years ago

      Where is the integrated Intel shot??!

        • tipoo
        • 3 years ago

        Would kind of be interesting to see, but…

        [url<]https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/intel-gen9-skylake.57204/page-6[/url<] "I suppose I should note that gen is on the narrower side of architectures and would probably not see the same benefit that other architectures might get. It's unclear what performance they are leaving on the table." Also, hi Andrew in that thread

        • chuckula
        • 3 years ago

        Actually, the Skylake Intel IGPs have full support for async.

        It’s just that supporting DX12 features and actually getting performance from the features are two different things.

        I’m sure they’ll post nice pictures once the first demo run completes.

    • Bensam123
    • 3 years ago

    Not sure I’ll believe the numbers released from Nvidia. HardOCP and Arstechnica show the 480 and 1060 are about on par with each other (depending on the benchmarks), which are both about on the same level as the 980.

    [url<]http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/07/19/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1060_founders_edition_review/[/url<] [url<]http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/07/nvidia-gtx-1060-review/[/url<] Curiously Ars doesn't seem to know how to parse their benchmarks as they're singing all sorts of praise about Nvidia, but if you look at the benchmarks they're often times very similar. It may have something to do with them not ordering their graphs by performance. They also don't test doom with Vulkan. They're also disregarding the 4GB model and only pricing it against the 8GB model (even though there is relatively little reason to buy the 8GB model). Only a handful of games even bump up against 2GB, let alone 4GB. Weird how we used to poke fun at companies for putting 12GB of memory on a low end graphics card (or in this case mid range), but now it seems to matter. $50 difference for very similar performance in cards, pretty certain this one goes to AMD, especially when you are looking towards the future of DX12 and Vulkan.

      • Krogoth
      • 3 years ago

      Here comes the Nvidia defense force……

      They don’t understand that 480 is the reason why $149-249 price range is exciting again and Nvidia was forced to price the 1060 at that level to be competitive.

      The real winner is the customer.

        • Bensam123
        • 3 years ago

        Surprised I haven’t gotten any haterade posts yet… Was waiting for the entourage. Guess they’re still trying to dig up some major points from the other reviews I posted.

        • smilingcrow
        • 3 years ago

        Not impressed with your logic fail as Bensam123 is and has always been an AMD shill.

          • Bensam123
          • 3 years ago

          How about instead of pointing fingers and name calling, look at what I posted?

          I’ve generally been manufacturer agnostic. There is particularly one person on here that has always tried to make me look other then that though. Shame on you for actually drinking his koolaid.

            • smilingcrow
            • 3 years ago

            HardOCP tested 5 games; 2x DX11, 2x DX12, 1x Vulcan. I.e. 40% DX11.
            That’s not at all representative of the games that are currently being played so I would choose a review with a much bigger range of games with more DX11 titles included.
            Were you not aware of this?
            It’s fine if you are ignorant of basic facts but it makes you look either biased or just too lazy to scan a few review conclusion to get a balanced overview.

            Do they call it HardOCP because the graphs are so hard to read?

            • Bensam123
            • 3 years ago

            I posted two review sites, not just one… You know, so you can get a wider variety of benchmarks.

            HardOCP in this particular case is telling of where things are going in the future (DX12 and Vulkan), which I definitely think is just as important (if not quite a bit more so) as people saying they need 8GB of memory no matter what.

            So you get better performance in Vulkan and DX12 titles, and similiar performance in current day titles, for $50 less, which is about a 25% price hike over the 480… If you can find one for $250.

            • chuckula
            • 3 years ago

            [quote<]I posted two review sites[/quote<] One of which you immediately dismiss as being wrong so you can focus on the rather odd results from the other one. The irony is that I don't place much weight on Ars anyway so whether they say the GTX-1060 is a miracle or a POS is irrelevant, but you had to drag it in as your strawman. But you want to talk about future proof DX12 results? How about explaining this frame time analysis of AoTs where we "unfairly attack" AMD by using an HBM-equipped R9 Fury with more compute power than the GTX-[b<]1070[/b<] as a standin for your suppposed "$199" Rx 480: [url<]http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_1060_fcat_frametime_analysis_review,8.html[/url<] While of course "on average" the Fury is winning in a program written for AMD GPUs, please explain how the actual frame time spikes are worse for an HBM equipped card with 512 GB/sec of RAM bandwidth and the Holy Asynchronous Compute vs. the supposedly defective GTX-1060.

            • travbrad
            • 3 years ago

            I’d still place a lot of importance on DX11 since the vast majority of games are still DX11, and most of the games being released the rest of the year are DX11 also. DX12 performance is certainly important though especially for those who tend to keep their cards for awhile. As you said it will almost certainly be be more important for “future proofing” than 8GB of VRAM.

            [quote<]So you get better performance in Vulkan and DX12 titles, and similiar performance in current day titles, for $50 less, which is about a 25% price hike over the 480... If you can find one for $250.[/quote<] Depends which review you read. PCPer seems to show about 20-25% advantage on average for the 1060 in the DX11 games they tested, and 5-10% disadvantage in 2 of the 3 DX12 games they tested, with the other one actually showing an advantage for the 1060. Not that you can really buy either of them. They are both a bit "meh" after waiting years for 14/16nm cards, at least with the current market/supply situation.

            • Bensam123
            • 3 years ago

            The disparity between DX11 on the 480 vs 1060 isn’t nearly the same as on DX12 and Vulkan. You’re talking about the 1060 being like 5% faster in most cases in DX11, and quite a bit faster in DX12/Vulkan. At least in the sites I quoted.

            I wouldn’t throw a vote in with PCPER, which is why I particularly quoted Anandtech and HardOCP as they’re both well known reputable sites.

            Guess once again have to wait for TRs review in a month or so.

            • Voldenuit
            • 3 years ago

            PCPer is at least as reputable as TR. Even moreso, IMO, and I say this with all due respect to Jeff and co.

            They were one of the early collaborators on FCAT, and they’re also doing detailed power draw studies.

            • smilingcrow
            • 3 years ago

            You didn’t even mention or link to Anandtech but you did to Arstechnica.

            • smilingcrow
            • 3 years ago

            ArsTechnica is not primarily a review site and their reviews clearly show this so I ignore their reviews even though I read the site a lot for other reasons.

            May I suggest looking at sites known for reviews and that cover a larger and more representative range of games. That way you will be in the loop.

            • smilingcrow
            • 3 years ago

            If you aren’t a AMD fanboy that I apologise wholeheartedly.

    • Bumper
    • 3 years ago

    This segments the market nicely. $200 price point rx480. $250 price point Gtx 1060. $350 price point gtx 1070… I think this makes the 8gb rx480 kind of pointless though. I planned on buying a card around Christmas New Years… AIB and prices will be settled. choices are great and I’ll really have to see how the 4gb AIB rx 480 develops. i think the gtx 1060 offers $50 of value over the 480 when power efficiency and performance are taken into account in certain use cases, but 40 watts difference is not that big and the AIB boards make the performance difference negligible. Idk just have to wait and see.

      • brucek2
      • 3 years ago

      I don’t understand waiting 6 months to save maybe $25 on a product category where new or at least refreshed models may be available every 12 months.

      Skipping the first few days to avoid scalper prices, sure. After that, it feels to me that it’s the same strategy that should apply to any tech product where big changes occur in cliffs on a semi-predictable schedule: evaluate each generation at its launch, and decide then to either buy it near the start of its cycle so as to get full time value for your money or to skip it in favor of the next one.

        • Bumper
        • 3 years ago

        Well to provide some perspective I like to buy lower mid range cards and only upgrade every three years on average. So maybe for some people waiting doesn’t make sense, but for me it just lines up with my upgrade cycle and the maturity of the new generation of chips. Also I don’t see either mfg releasing new midrange chips every 12 months, but if you know something I don’t, I’d like to know too. post it here, thanks.

          • brucek2
          • 3 years ago

          No problem with any of that. Just saying that whatever the consumer’s choice of price range and upgrade frequency, it’s typically the case that the advantages of the generational upgrade can be enjoyed near their start at relatively little extra cost (or even no extra for heavily controlled categories such as iPhones.)

          If your proposed plan is a good choice for you, then it seems like the similar plan of paying about the same to enjoy the same advantages only say four to five months sooner must be at least as good a choice, no?

          The one wildcard is your reference to maturity. If you truly believe six months is the period required before the upgrade will come with less hassle than its worth (cause high chance to RMA, etc.) than I’d agree. I made a similar choice regarding early model high end gaming g-sync monitors where I feel more were sent back than kept, but I don’t feel these cards are in that same kind of high risk category.

        • Ifalna
        • 3 years ago

        If cards are so scarce that you can barely order them and said scarcity drives prices way up, I do believe waiting for stocks to get full / price drops is prudent behavior.

        Esp since most of us aren’t going to buy a new card every 12 months, so waiting 2-4 is a nonissue as far as product lifecycle is concerned.

    • Krogoth
    • 3 years ago

    Exciting times for $199-249 demographic. You have compeling options to replace that aging HD7850/7850, GTX 660/760 unlike the lackluster 960 and rebranded 7850/7870s.

      • NovusBogus
      • 3 years ago

      I have to admit, I didn’t expect either of them to have a sub-$300 product worth caring about by the end of the year, let alone both, and feel just a wee bit silly about buying a fire-sale 960. But then I think back on the joy of finally being able to enjoy Geralt of Rivia’s long, flowing, glorious locks earlier in the year and I can’t say it was such a bad deal. My work PC needs a better video card, anyway.

    • smilingcrow
    • 3 years ago

    When you consider that people were paying $650 for a 980 Ti 14 months ago and that the $289 MSI 1060 Gaming X when over-clocked is within 1% of a stock 980 Ti with power consumption ~75W less it puts the stagnation in the CPU market into stark contrast.

    When compared against a GTX 970 the gains aren’t so great but they still are near 20% better in terms of performance, power and price and when was the last time a CPU offered all that at once?

    • brucethemoose
    • 3 years ago

    Is anyone else worried about AMD now?

    Here we have a 200mm^2 card generally matching or besting a 232mm^2 card while also using a narrower bus, less power, and with alot more headroom… We’ve been here (and in the reverse situation) before, but this time AMD doesn’t seem to have the R&D resources to catch up.

    If the gap widens the next generation, what are they going to do?

      • Firestarter
      • 3 years ago

      It’s all about bang for buck, I’m not worried about power usage in this class. Most people building a PC will have plenty of wattage available from their PSU and cooling is managed just fine by the multiple big fans that most cards have anyway. Furthest from the mind is the higher power bill, the bigger problem may be excessive heat in the summer

      The difference in die size isn’t huge, so I guess cost per GPU is much more dependent on the deals that AMD and Nvidia negotiated with Glofo and TSMC respectively

      What worries me most is that the lower efficiency demonstrated by AMD means that they won’t be able to produce a fast enough high end GPU within reasonable power levels to compete with Nvidia. No competition would be no bueno, even if they’re only mostly halo products. That said, AMD has shown before that they’re not afraid to throw caution to the wind to stay competitive and just clock their cards to the stratosphere, power consumption be damned

        • smilingcrow
        • 3 years ago

        Power efficiency for an architecture is very important for laptops where the maximum TDPs are much lower so no way to goose that with power hogs as you can with desktop cards.

          • travbrad
          • 3 years ago

          Yeah that’s the big problem AMD has had for awhile. Power usage is key for getting into laptops and even a lot of pre-built desktops (which are often smaller and/or have weak PSUs). They have good cards for us PC gaming hardware nerds, but it hasn’t gotten them into enough systems because their power use is too high. It’s a similar story on the CPU side regarding power usage, except in that case they aren’t even particularly compelling from a price/performance perspective for the workloads most people have.

        • Pancake
        • 3 years ago

        Do you pay the household electricity bills? Do you not care about climate change?

        Even if you don’t AMD have shown they’ve been foolhardy in their efforts to increase performance at all costs resulting in the regrettable “Powergate”. The RX480 is basically running damn close to its limits at stock. On the other hand look at the overclocking potential of the 1060. It is insane. It is naturally the enthusiast’s choice.

          • DrDominodog51
          • 3 years ago

          A) This isn’t the 295×2; it isn’t consuming that much power.
          B) The power bills depends on where you live. I care a lot more about my water bill than my electricity bill personally. But like I said, it really depends on where you live.
          C) Climate change? Like in the room or…

            • Pancake
            • 3 years ago

            Ironically, the 295×2 might draw less idle power than the RX480…

            We all have to contribute in every way to climate change by choosing wisely things we use. Whether it’s a television, a car or a computer. Can I get somewhere by walking or public transport or do I drive? At least, that’s what I do.

            And then you miss the point about reliability and overclocking headroom.

          • rxc6
          • 3 years ago

          Wait, the extra watts that an AMD card would consume the few hours a week it is loaded would CHANGE the climate?!?!? Stop the presses!!! facepalm.jpg

            • sweatshopking
            • 3 years ago

            Of course generally higher energy usage impacts pollution levels if generated through polluting means. How much electricity do you think all the gaming pcs in the world consume? It isn’t a small amount. That being said, that’s one part of a much larger issue, and the drive towards improved power consumption is a good thing .

            • anotherengineer
            • 3 years ago

            It is a very good thing, and yet it’s extremely trivial in the grand scheme of things.

            My electric dryer uses 5500W of power for every load of laundry and runs about 40 minutes as least. My fridge almost uses $20/mo of electricity. If we really want to make a real change we should focus on big item users first.

            My electric bill is typically 700 Kw.hrs to 1000 kw.hrs per month. 10 hours of gaming with an old card on 90nm wouldn’t make up a sliver of that, let alone a new card.

            Hot today, turned on my old 10 seer, 2-ton AC unit, probably using 3000W, and ran about 6 hours today. And people are getting their panties bunched up by 20W difference on a video card, that’s just lolz.

            Well time to do some welding in my garage, on my AC/DC Miller Arc welder that runs on 240V and plugged into a 50Amp outlet, in reality though, across the arc it’s probably 30V @80Amp DC so that’s only 2400 Watts, good thing I only have 5 minutes of welding to do!!!! :O

            The best story I have before I go is a metal refinery where I used to work (before being bulldozed – probably due to high electric bills), it consumed roughly 130MW continuously 24/7 to make zinc and copper. Zinc went into Duracell alkaline batteries and to galvanizing plants, where it is basically a sacrificial element, and then to landfill at end of life. Take that environment, oh wait this is the only planet that we know of that can support us, go human race.

            End rant………..

            • sweatshopking
            • 3 years ago

            I’m not disagreeing with anything you say, id just add that for the millions of gpus sold, a 20w savings adds up. And the more it adds up the better. We have more to do on all fronts though, as your post demonstrates. We should focus on all things.

          • yogibbear
          • 3 years ago

          If I cared about the electricity bill (which I do) then I would certainly not care about globull warming, because all that seems to entail is a tax on the power bill I’m already paying to subsidize a renewable energy industry that cannot produce reliable or efficient power themselves.

          • Firestarter
          • 3 years ago

          I do pay those bills and I do care a bit, but not enough to stop riding my motorcycle just for the hell of it and certainly not enough to limit my GPU purchasing based on power consumption

        • Freon
        • 3 years ago

        You miss the point. AMD can’t maintain margins on its products. NV is more efficient. NV spends the R&D and end up with a product they can sell for higher margins per unit. And since they have such a higher market share their ROI on the R&D is better. AMD can’t justify spending millions more to save a few watts or a few mm^2 of die area due to lower sales volume.

        It’s a negative feedback loop for AMD. It’s what already happened with their battle against Intel.

        In the short term they sell $450 cards for $300 to stay relevant, but that’s not sustainable.

      • flip-mode
      • 3 years ago

      Check out the HardOCP review. The RX 480 8 GB looks like a better buy than the GTX 1060.

        • Mr Bill
        • 3 years ago

        +++ That Vulkan and DX12 performance

        • Pancake
        • 3 years ago

        The HardOCP is horrible and biased heavily to AMD. The first game they review is Doom (a horrible game) with a well known optimised pathway for AMD. The second game is Hitman – some sort of B-grade thing not renowned for its graphics. How about testing the big hitters? Ridiculous.

          • chuckula
          • 3 years ago

          Hitman as a GPU benchmark is questionable at best because apparently the game is spending just as much time doing level loading as it is actually rendering graphics.

          And I say this even though the GTX-1070 and 1080 are clearly leading in frametime performance in DX12: [url<]http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_1060_fcat_frametime_analysis_review,7.html[/url<] Even though the high end Pascal cards have a clear lead, I wouldn't use it as a graphics benchmark because of all the crap happening outside of the GPU, and that's not fair to any GPU vendor.

          • flip-mode
          • 3 years ago

          Take than fanboy nonsense elsewhere. HardOCP is not biased one way or the other – I have been reading their GPU review for years and they have no bias. They’ll slam either Nvidia or AMD and I have seen them slam both. My memory, which is not the best, recalls that HardOCP as more frequently given “gold” awards to Nvidia products in the last couple of years. That’s not a bias towards Nvidia either, that is just HardOCP reviewing products on their merits.

            • Pancake
            • 3 years ago

            Who’s the fanboy? Who’s testing the cards against rather unusual choices for games? Pretty much ALL the other review sites base their testing on the range of games people play and 1060 wins. If you can’t see that you’re blind freddy fanboy. Ding! Ding! Ding!

      • MEATLOAF2
      • 3 years ago

      AMD tends to have lower performance at launch due to poor driver quality, we might be seeing that here. From what I have seen, AMD relies on overcompensating with hardware to make up for inefficient drivers, and slowly reclaim a bit of the potential performance over time.

      That’s certainly not the best strategy, but they have to compete somehow. Probably hurts their margins quite a bit though.

        • Krogoth
        • 3 years ago

        When will the stupid “Nvidia drivers are golden and ATI drivers are crap” meme finally die?

        It hasn’t been true since the mid-2000s.

          • smilingcrow
          • 3 years ago

          Considering that they very recently released a driver to fix a major hardware power configuration issue then I think it has a lot of legs yet.

            • 223 Fan
            • 3 years ago

            Considering a recent nVidia driver forced some reinstalls of Windows I wouldn’t be so sure.

            • smilingcrow
            • 3 years ago

            When you say ‘some’ do you have any ‘hard’ data on that as I am not aware of it?

            The thing is, that might tarnish Nvidia but it doesn’t let AMD off the hook and the RX 480 thing was an issue for every card on release.
            What Krogoth was talking about was perception rather than reality which can be a harder thing to shift.
            Personally I have no idea which team has had the better drivers say over the last year and who does?
            Often it’s the historical failures that stick on peoples’ minds be it software or hardware.
            Some still haven’t got past bumpgate.

            • 223 Fan
            • 3 years ago

            Google “nvidia 361.43 issues.” One of my coworkers installed the driver and had to do a clean reinstall of Windows. Based on the feedback on other sites I am confident that the ‘some’ is accurate. Not ‘all’, not ‘most’. nVidia had a driver glitch which they had to address and did.

            You are correct that ‘bad AMD drivers’ and ‘bumpgate’ are cut from the same cloth. Historical anomalies that should play no part in deciding what GPU card to buy now or in the near future.

            • anotherengineer
            • 3 years ago

            Well I lost a $900 laptop to this
            [url<]https://www.thatsitguys.com/articles/nvidia-laptop-class-action-lawsuit[/url<] missed out on the class action or wasn't valid for me in canada or something. And I lost a single slot cooler 9800GT to this (guess I just had a run of bad luck?) I thought it was the crappy cooler, guess it was a combination of both? [url<]http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-196.75-drivers-over-heating,9802.html[/url<] Point is crap happens, just sucks when it happens to me/you/us.

      • Flapdrol
      • 3 years ago

      The performance difference per mm^2 and bus width was bigger with the last gen. And nvidia’s has been able to stretch their margins so much there is plenty of room for amd to make a profit. Also this new gen of cards seems so popular nvidia and amd seem to be selling everything they can produce. So no need to worry for amd anytime soon.

      And I’m not sure if this is true but I read amd has an obligation to fab an x amount of things at glofo or pay a fine. The rx480 chip is fabbed at glofo and is a much easier sell than an fx cpu.

      • quaz0r
      • 3 years ago

      [url<]http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html[/url<]

      • ptsant
      • 3 years ago

      AMD invests more silicon to get support for:
      – Async compute
      – XDMA crossfire
      – More TFlops for compute in general

      nVidia made a great gaming card. GCN is a much more complex architecture, explicitly designed for HSA and for synergy between APUs and GPUs. It may not matter to you, but it may matter a lot if Apple integrates AMD chips (which has been going on for a while) and pushes OpenCL acceleration. It is also potentially very interesting in consoles or semicustom designs.

      What I’m saying is that both companies invested their transistors wisely, but differently. You can’t really say GCN 1.4 is worse based only on a specific application (gaming).

        • tipoo
        • 3 years ago

        Yeah, this is why Apple is stuck with a GCN 1.0 part on the most expensive rMBP you can buy:

        [url<]http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/2015-Retina-MBP.010-980x720.png[/url<] Hoping for a Polaris update to it, even if Pascal is more efficient Apple may not pick them if they still don't care about OpenCL.

      • Longsdivision
      • 3 years ago

      This gap you speak of has been expanding and contract since Radeon 1 vs Geforce 3….so I really dont see what the big issue is.

      The repetitive cycle of business keeps on doing what it does best….going in circles.

      • maxxcool
      • 3 years ago

      Until I see a TR review, I am not so sure there needs to be doom and gloom for the 480x.

      To many third party reviews just seem outlandish in their performance reports. Overall despite the power issue the 480x might be a good card. But until I can see Hardocp+anandtech+TR reviews and build a aggregate overview for myself It seems close to call.

      • anotherengineer
      • 3 years ago

      “If the gap widens the next generation, what are they going to do?”

      Fab their chips at TSMC like Nvidia instead of GF maybe?

        • Voldenuit
        • 3 years ago

        [quote<]Fab their chips at TSMC like Nvidia instead of GF maybe?[/quote<] AMD is contractually obligated to fab a certain amount of their chips at GF. Rumor has it that Vega will be fabbed at TSMC. I do think that the high power draw and comparatively lower clocks on Polaris are due to architectural decisions rather than anything wrong with GF's 14nm process, however. AMD went for a wide, slower architecture, and nvidia went for a narrow, faster-pumped design (similar to Athlon64 vs Pentium IV). This could be why Polaris benefits more from async compute than nvidia, as it finds more unused shaders that are not being filled by the graphics pipeline. As Anandtech's deep dive into the 1070 and 1080 allude to, async compute works best when there are what Ryan calls "bubbles" of unused execution units on the chip.

          • anotherengineer
          • 3 years ago

          “I do think that the high power draw and comparatively lower clocks on Polaris are due to architectural decisions rather than anything wrong with GF’s 14nm process”

          I have no idea, but no one will know for sure unless TSMC fab’s a chip for them. Historically AMD has always bumped up the voltage more than what seems to be required. We will all know soon enough.

      • raddude9
      • 3 years ago

      [quote<]now? [/quote<] No, I'm always worried about AMD. [quote<]we have a 200mm^2 card generally matching or besting a 232mm^2 card [/quote<] Die area is not nearly as important is "$ per mm^2", and I have a feeling that GloFlo is cheaper. [quote<]narrower bus, less power[/quote<] nice, but $'s are more important. [quote<]more headroom[/quote<] that's yet to be seen for sure and won't be know until we see some good non-reference board comparisons. [quote<]AMD doesn't seem to have the R&D resources to catch up.[/quote<] AMD have a very competitive card in the shape of the 4GB RX480, it's 25% cheaper than the 1060 and maybe only 10% slower on average, making it a much better deal overall.

      • Freon
      • 3 years ago

      It was worse last gen when you compare the 970/980 to the 290/390 series. Double the bus width, even bigger power gap.

    • djayjp
    • 3 years ago

    That stock performance advantage and it’ll be an OC beast relative to RX480.

    • trek205
    • 3 years ago

    Are you guys really incapable of getting out a review on launch day for any card?

      • Jeff Kampman
      • 3 years ago

      I’ll…just review the thin air on my desk where a GTX 1060 would fit, since that’s what we have.

        • derFunkenstein
        • 3 years ago

        Power consumption numbers should look great, though maybe not the perf/$$

          • sweatshopking
          • 3 years ago

          Noise also. Best card for a silent build.

            • Firestarter
            • 3 years ago

            perfect for microATX builds

            • DPete27
            • 3 years ago

            Most mATX builds can take full length GPUs. How about NUC form factor!!

            • Firestarter
            • 3 years ago

            previously the domain of iGPUs, AMD and Intel watch out!

            • smilingcrow
            • 3 years ago

            Cards aimed at mITX cases already available which makes sense considering the TDP.

            • LiamC
            • 3 years ago

            Super Mega Ultra Mini-ITX [s<]babe[/s<] build

            • Mr Bill
            • 3 years ago

            Sure, ‘the thin air’ wins hands down for silence.

            • Meadows
            • 3 years ago

            thatsthejoke.jpg

            • Mr Bill
            • 3 years ago

            [url=https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/97/64/b4/9764b4f8c5aeba1b2409d3832c4c43ab.jpg<]No Comet[/url<]

          • tipoo
          • 3 years ago

          Nooo, you just divided by zero!

          [url<]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-62eJfLXcm2o/U11e7p58NOI/AAAAAAAAAkM/k1YM2yUQXR8/s1600/divided+by+zero.jpg[/url<]

          • evilpaul
          • 3 years ago

          Until I see the perf/$$ chart I’m not believing that.

            • Cyco-Dude
            • 3 years ago

            there a several website that have 1060 review info, and it’s an easy task to see what they sell for. from what i’ve seen so far, the 1060 and 480 are pretty close in performance. the 1060 is selling for slightly less than the 480 though.

          • Mr Bill
          • 3 years ago

          “By Grabthar’s Hammer, what value.”

        • Redocbew
        • 3 years ago

        I’d read that.

          • w76
          • 3 years ago

          TR does have a talent for prose.

            • the
            • 3 years ago

            Purportedly

            • Mr Bill
            • 3 years ago

            But not Prosaically.

        • chuckula
        • 3 years ago

        Ok guize, I don’t have the fancy charts but here’s a complete list of all of TR’s benchmark results in a mini-review:

        • Mr Bill
        • 3 years ago

        Temperature under load, lowest ever measured.

        • chµck
        • 3 years ago

        I want it published before you have dinner.

        • caconym
        • 3 years ago

        we all know you’re biased against nitrogen and give argon better reviews

        • Airmantharp
        • 3 years ago

        We totally need a listing for most downvoted comments on the front page too 😀

        • ptsant
        • 3 years ago

        Can nVidia really not afford to send a card your way or is it part of their very strict “reviewer guidance” program where they get to chose games, exact settings and whatnot beforehand? Do you have to surrender your integrity to get a card these days? Am I the only one bothered by this?

          • raddude9
          • 3 years ago

          The thing that bothers me is that it seems like every other site on the internet got a card to review.

        • chuckula
        • 3 years ago

        See my proposal for getting you a GTX-1060 in the forums: [url<]https://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=118247[/url<]

        • ClickClick5
        • 3 years ago

        I like this saucy Jeff!

      • flip-mode
      • 3 years ago

      It would somewhat mitigate the foolish appearance of your post if you added and edit to say “oops, I’m a moron”.

        • leor
        • 3 years ago

        Would a moron really have the hindsight to say “oops,” or the self awareness to say “I’m a moron?”

      • maxxcool
      • 3 years ago

      Are you seriously that stupid ? I’ll take a week ban to say what should be obvious in multiple threads wherein Jeff noted Nvidia is not sending TR a card.

        • Longsdivision
        • 3 years ago

        Do you really want to know? I mean this is the internet…where reasoning with people is like talking to brick walls.

          • maxxcool
          • 3 years ago

          I am hoping he’s banned. While one ‘could’ appreciate the concern about the content schedule, the method in his particular communication is uncalled for, and disrespectful. The later is the crime and metric to which I issue my response by.

          I’d like to see him take over a mostly ‘new’ crew that may or may not have full time experience in publishing and see how he fairs. I imagine given his attitude he would chuck it in after a Quarter and blame everyone else.

            • Longsdivision
            • 3 years ago

            Unlike the OP, I totally understand the growing pains. I’ve been reading TR reviews here since Scott and his band of misfits started TR.

            People just don’t understand that this happens all the time in the tech industry, no review, late reviews, …lost hardware in the mail.

            • maxxcool
            • 3 years ago

            Agreed.

            • ImSpartacus
            • 3 years ago

            When has a prominent tech site lost its entire experienced staff such that only a recent college grad is now the most senior (I.e. only) staff remaining? It’s kinda scary for your staff to go from 30+ years of collective experience to less than two (i.e. <2).

            I think the community has blinders on if they aren’t acknowledging that tr has a long road ahead. I feel like an ass for pointing this out, but it’s like everyone is on another planet.

            • maxxcool
            • 3 years ago

            Also agreed. but I’m hanging in there for Jeff and crew …

    • Rza79
    • 3 years ago

    Full review here:
    [url<]https://www.computerbase.de/2016-07/geforce-gtx-1060-test/3/#abschnitt_benchmarks_in_1920__1080_und_2560__1440[/url<]

    • PrincipalSkinner
    • 3 years ago

    If I was to pick between 480 and 1060, it would most likely be 480.
    But holding off on custom boards is pissing me off. AMD never seems to learn.

      • flip-mode
      • 3 years ago

      So true. AMD just has not learned that it is supposed to launch its partner’s custom designs before it launches its own reference design. So stupid of AMD not to do its partners’ work for them. Shame, shame. Maybe next time AMD will do the right thing and launch its partners’ products first, then launch Nvidia’s products second, and then launch its own products. Obvious launch sequence is obvious.

    • Kretschmer
    • 3 years ago

    This bodes well for mobile Pascal. I might not want a GTX 1060, but a 1060M could very well be my next GPU. Planning to replace my current R9 290X Freesync setup with a 1060M GSync setup and get that sweet, sweet mobility.

      • JustAnEngineer
      • 3 years ago

      The evil marketing geniuses will call the GP106 chip from the GeForce GTX1060 a “GTX1080M” or higher if it goes to mobile. 🙁

        • juzz86
        • 3 years ago

        I don’t know why you got downvoted for this, but you’re 100% correct. This will be the 1080M. The power target is right, the memory pairing is right, the performance jump between this and the 980M is about right for the generational gap this year.

        I don’t think you can argue against the fact that having a full-fat (or near enough) GTX 1060 headline the nVidia mobile GPU lineup this year (outside the exotic DTRs) is a bad thing 🙂

    • rudimentary_lathe
    • 3 years ago

    The pre-release rumours suggested this card would trade blows with the 980 – would love to see that card included in your review.

    I find it very disappointing that this generation’s mid-range cards can’t even max out current titles at 1080p60fps.

    • Tristan
    • 3 years ago

    AMD ordered to delay review NV graphics cards

      • Jeff Kampman
      • 3 years ago

      lol wut

        • derFunkenstein
        • 3 years ago

        Don’t worry, guys. I speak fluent Illiterate Jumble. Clearly he’s saying your AMD overlords have given explicit instructions to not review that card that [url=https://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=118229#p1315686<]Nvidia didn't send you[/url<].

          • tipoo
          • 3 years ago

          Silly AMD always constraining us to a linear understanding of time

          • w76
          • 3 years ago

          Of all nvidia’s business practices that bother other people, not sending TR a card in a timely fashion is the one that finally bothers me.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 3 years ago

            Totally agreed. Not that I’m buying a [s<]960[/s<] (edit: wtf?) 1060 soon, but that's irritating.

        • Tristan
        • 3 years ago

        just kidding

        • ImSpartacus
        • 3 years ago

        Cmon man, your credibility doesn’t need terse comments like that.

        I can make comments like that because I’m a random schmuck from the internet, but you need to be held to a higher standard.

          • Jeff Kampman
          • 3 years ago

          I put the same amount of effort and consideration into my comments that the post I’m replying to demands.

            • ImSpartacus
            • 3 years ago

            I know that sounds like a perfectly reasonable “golden rule”-esque approach, but it ends up making you look combative/insecure to a broader audience. That’s not what you want when your livelihood largely relies on your public image.

            There are many thousands of content creators of all kinds that have to deal with anonymous comments and the clear consensus is that the most tasteful way to handle these situations is to simply ignore them.

            I know that’s not easy, but I wish you the best of luck.

            • Jeff Kampman
            • 3 years ago

            Man, you make it sound like I’m the Pope or something. We do this work partially because graphics cards are complex products that need deep analysis, but also because they’re fun and they let us have fun. If you can’t have a laugh every once in a while, you’re doing it wrong. Absurd comments like this one make me laugh, so there you have it.

            • smilingcrow
            • 3 years ago

            The irony for me is that politicians say much worse things and your remark felt in context for this site easily.
            Bemused more than vitriolic.

            • AnotherReader
            • 3 years ago

            I don’t think most people think of politicians as a benchmark of acceptable behaviour; it may be different in some countries, but it seems as if political discourse is dominated by blowhards on all sides.

            • smilingcrow
            • 3 years ago

            If it’s acceptable for politicians to be obnoxious in TV interviews then why would anyone care about such a minor remark on a mere Tech website when the web is full of real trolls?

            • derFunkenstein
            • 3 years ago

            Because we have to take everything as a personal affront. We cannot let this stand, dammit!

            • Meadows
            • 3 years ago

            He’s right though, there’s no need to lower yourself to their standards. They don’t need to be taken seriously, you on the other hand do.

            • flip-mode
            • 3 years ago

            I took his response of “lol wut” quite seriously. I think it was the most appropriate response.

            • Ninjitsu
            • 3 years ago

            inb4 10 years later Jeff is de facto Pope for gerbils

          • Spunjji
          • 3 years ago

          Personally I enjoyed the levity.

          • UberGerbil
          • 3 years ago

          If you think this comment affect’s Kampman’s credibility in the slightest, I’m left doubting your judgement, not his.

      • tipoo
      • 3 years ago

      Those are definitely words placed in a specific order.

        • Longsdivision
        • 3 years ago

        True, but when will he release a complete sentence is what I’m curious about.

        • Wirko
        • 3 years ago

        No, this is a test partial sentence to test a partial artificial intelligence parser. Should return “00 parser not found”.

    • beck2448
    • 3 years ago

    Don’t know why they bother with this founders crap. It just generates a lot of bad press

      • tipoo
      • 3 years ago

      I’m guessing because they like money.

      • BoilerGamer
      • 3 years ago

      FE have genearated less bad press than AMD’s garbage blower on 290/290X and crooked board design/bios on the overdrawing 480

      A good looking reference blower with a okay board design is going to get more good press than bad from the reviewers, and that’s all the PR that matter as most GPU buyer don’t dig deeper than skim the last few pages of a review.

        • derFunkenstein
        • 3 years ago

        Powergate (really, this name is so obvious, I can’t believe we’re not using it) was definitely a bigger deal than the clear money grab that the Founder’s Edition represents, but that’s behind us now. Anybody that is still on this needs to update their drivers.

        • flip-mode
        • 3 years ago

        [quote<]FE have genearated less bad press than AMD's garbage [/quote<] LOL. OK. That's the yardstick of "goodness" you use then. Your stance is that bad press is good as long as it is not as bad as whatever issue AMD is having. Good work sir. Well done.

      • JustAnEngineer
      • 3 years ago

      NVidia is supply constrained on 16FF+ GPUs. However, [b<]for marketing reasons[/b<], they want to launch with an artificially low price. The scarcity at the low price point is going to create price gouging. In this case, NVidia is using the higher price of the founder's edition cards to line Jen-Hsun Huang's (NVidia) pockets rather than letting all of the gouging go to Fred Chang's (Newegg) pockets at the retail level or the alternative launching with a more realistic higher price and then reducing it as supply constraints ease. This scheme should also help out NVidia's board partners. So far, it appears that NVidia's evil marketing geniuses have come up with another brilliantly evil and successful scheme.

        • HERETIC
        • 3 years ago

        Any info on how long NV supply problems are,as this is going to keep prices up?????

        Just did some quick calc’s-using AUS prices and ref to 1070.
        1070-$750
        1060-$500-66% the cost for 72% the performance.
        480 – $400-53% the cost for 68% the performance.

        Can’t wait to see what half of that die will be like in mobile-
        In theory should have around true 960 performance for about 50 watts.
        An excellent compromise in a lappy 980M performance for 50 watts-and
        should be relatively cheap………………………………

      • Bensam123
      • 3 years ago

      It’s a way of jacking the prices up and pretending it isn’t MSRP.

        • chuckula
        • 3 years ago

        Fascinating, because the large number of $250 cards listed today are only $10 more than the Rx 480 models that anybody actually cares about.

        Oh wait, I take that back.

        They are only $10 more than the reference Rx 480 cards. The actual 480 cards that anybody with ears cares about haven’t officially launched yet.

      • ronch
      • 3 years ago

      I’m guessing Pascal taped off on Jensen’s birthday.

      • ImSpartacus
      • 3 years ago

      As long as they have availability issues early in the release cycle, then it makes sense for prices to temporarily increase.

      It’s going to happen no matter what. Nvidia just wants a piece of the pie (and to make oem builders happy). It’s that simple.

    • NTMBK
    • 3 years ago

    Boo at NVidia for not getting you a sample, good on you for doing a write up for launch day anyway.

      • Ushio01
      • 3 years ago

      Why bother giving samples to site that don’t bother with reviews anymore. Techreport hasn’t even done a 1070 review yet.

        • stefem
        • 3 years ago

        Anandtech has yet to review a single Pascal card, while has found the time to review the RX480… at least TR has the excuse of Scott being stolen by AMD 🙂

          • brucethemoose
          • 3 years ago

          Anand is in some trouble, alot of major reviews are being skipped or delayed.

          • chuckula
          • 3 years ago

          TR did get its review of the GTX-1080 out the door, and they didn’t actually get the review sample at the earliest possible date. Anand got the review sample, but still doesn’t have a full review out even now.

        • ImSpartacus
        • 3 years ago

        Tr is just struggling to ramp up their capacity, as they have effectively no experienced writers. I think an early “preview” like this is a fair compromise. You can’t always have your cake and eat it too.

    • DragonDaddyBear
    • 3 years ago

    I’m going to get flamed for this, but I’m torn. Competition is great, but how much value lies in the things outside of the benchmarks? Is it worth the additional FPS/lower frame latency? The card is clearly a better performance choice over the RX 480. However, Nvidia has been doing things I’m not fond of lately (accounts for drivers, pushing proprietary gaming effects tech, G-Sync, very little open source support, etc).

    Edit: Yup, lots of down votes. It’s a rhetorical question, my fellow gerbils. It’s easy to qualify based on personal values but difficult to quantify (outside of G-Sync vs FreeSync). As derFunkentein pointed out, it’s a personal choice. I think I value the intangibles more than some. That’s true of much of what I purchase, even outside of tech.

      • sweatshopking
      • 3 years ago

      It isn’t clearly a better choice for performance. It does the same or poorer in dx12 and vulkan games. You know. All the new ones.

        • DragonDaddyBear
        • 3 years ago

        Good point. However, I tend to shy away from “future proof” tech. I think by the time DX12/Vulkan is a mandatory feature in PC games I will probably be due for a new card.

      • derFunkenstein
      • 3 years ago

      Serious answer: You alone have to weigh pros and cons, and decide what’s more important to you. I fall on the side of “I don’t want to punish myself” so I haven’t bought AMD cards, even though it rewards Nvidia’s shady practices.

      OTOH, if I boycotted everything I ever disagreed with, I’d be naked, homeless, alone, and dead of starvation.

        • rogue426
        • 3 years ago

        It seems the days of voting with our wallets are dead and gone.

          • derFunkenstein
          • 3 years ago

          Well, I mean, you *totally should* if it’s really that big of dilemma for you. Losergamer04 should, anyway. I just want the process to be as painless as possible, even if it means I’m buying [s<]some blood diamonds[/s<] Intel and Nvidia instead of AMD (which itself is not totally innocent).

            • rogue426
            • 3 years ago

            I wasnt dissing you. I apologize if it came off that way to you.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 3 years ago

            Not at all. 🙂

            Voting with your wallet is hard to do when you’re being punished for doing so, and off and on (at least in the tech world) it certainly feels like you’re taking a hit when you do.

          • w76
          • 3 years ago

          Not at all. Quite the contrary, we reveal our TRUE preferences with purchases like the RX480 vs GTX1060 decision. If the OP is sufficiently bothered by nvidia actions, moreso than whatever he values technically about the GTX1060 over the RX480, he’ll buy a RX480. Either way, he’s expressing the balance of utility (technical, emotional, social, financial, etc) preferences he holds between the two. You or I may not like what that choice reveals about his preferences, but we can’t claim it was a choice made at a coin toss. (Well, unless he does in fact toss a coin)

          Armies of PhD’s in economics and psychology thrive off this stuff. Sad, I know.

          • brucek2
          • 3 years ago

          If I was buying in lots of 100,000, and had effective ways of communicating my decision process to the manufacturers that they believed, I could hope to change their behavior over time and it would possibly be worth it for me to take a hit against my own interests for a generation or two in order to prevail in the long run.

          As an ordinary consumer buying 1 unit, I realize I have no such power. I too have the distastes you mention, but Nvidia has generally chosen its distasteful behaviors wisely in that they make the consumer choose between a solution that is available now, and that generally delivers on its premise well, even if it may be a little more expensive and closed than I’d like.

          Call me a fool but I have a lot of trouble making the personal sacrifice of buying a system that meets my needs less well today, on the (slim?) hopes it might somehow send a message that gets me better offerings next time around. Especially when I’ve felt distaste from both suppliers at various times.

        • sweatshopking
        • 3 years ago

        Last two cards i bought were amd, and both were as good as the nvidias i bought before them

          • derFunkenstein
          • 3 years ago

          If they were only “as good as” then why did you buy them? They didn’t represent an upgrade.

            • Concupiscence
            • 3 years ago

            I think he means that they weren’t any more problematic than Nvidia’s cards, not that they didn’t represent an upgrade at all.

            • sweatshopking
            • 3 years ago

            Exactly. I have had good results with both amd and NVidia. Tbh, outside of industry or extremely specific programs, I’m happy with either. Just depends on performance per dollar.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 3 years ago

            IT WAS FUNNY INTERNET JOKE

    • derFunkenstein
    • 3 years ago

    [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126113<]This price makes AMD look sane[/url<] edit: in case the price changes, here's how it currently looks: [url<]http://imgur.com/GZc10Ty[/url<]

      • DragonDaddyBear
      • 3 years ago

      I wonder how that would compare to the $200 RX 480 4GB.

        • derFunkenstein
        • 3 years ago

        The 4GB cards didn’t get much in the way of reviews, but I don’t think 4GB cards are a good investment right now. It’ll wind up like the 1GB Radeon 7850 – the GPU will be hamstrung by the amount of fast memory available before it would otherwise cease to be useful.

          • tay
          • 3 years ago

          Do you have any numbers to back up this statement? Just curious not questioning your position based on my own knowledge.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 3 years ago

            No, not really. The 1GB 7850 was already lagging in Skyrim by a huge margin before the card was even a year old, according to Anandtech. I just think that at this point we’re looking at cards we’d want to have for a long time (getting in on the ground floor of a new generation of process tech usually means the cards are viable for years ahead) and my own opinion is that they will be needlessly constrained.

            Upgrading system RAM is trivial. Upgrading VRAM is basically impossible.

            [url<]http://www.anandtech.com/show/6359/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-650-ti-review/6[/url<]

            • sweatshopking
            • 3 years ago

            I think at 1080p, where most people will stick for the next three years, 4gb is enough.

            Also when did you guys start paying with CAD pricing?

            • DPete27
            • 3 years ago

            I agree with this. Keep in mind what the GPU landscape has been up until a month or two ago where 4GB was plenty or more than you really needed.

            The “How much VRAM is enough?” question has been around for many many years.
            Are memory requirements increasing? Yes
            Does that mean that if you buy a current-gen card with the most VRAM available, you’ll actually use it? No

            • derFunkenstein
            • 3 years ago

            At 1080p, maybe it’ll be fine for a while yet. Textures aren’t getting smaller and the price premium isn’t that big, though. If this was a Radeon R7 260 and we were debating between 4GB and a theoretical 8GB version, then of course, who cares.

            • tay
            • 3 years ago

            I found that the HotHardware review compares a 4 GB RX 480 with the 8 GB and the 6 GB 1060. Looks like the 4 GB limit is being hit already but it isn’t so clear cut. $40 is a 25% price premium.
            [url<]http://hothardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-review?page=5[/url<]

            • derFunkenstein
            • 3 years ago

            It’s not quite as pronounced as the Skyrim example from before, and it’s at very high resolutions, but it does appear to be a real thing. I haven’t seen much in the way of reviews on the 4GB card, but I’d be interested to see if that’s still present when tested at 1080p. The hit at 1440p is minor, but the fact that it’s there at all right now is kind of a warning.

            • DPete27
            • 3 years ago

            Careful. Hothardware made no claims to confirm or deny that the 4GB RX480 was running at the same memory clocks as when they tested with 8GB. Obviously I can’t say either way, but I’d personally have to omit that review on account of shoddy reporting.

            AMD set a 7GT/s floor on VRAM with the RX480 and early rumors were that only the 8GB variants would ship with 8GT/s (although a quick look at the three 4GB cards on newegg seem to suggest otherwise)

      • chuckula
      • 3 years ago

      I can not buy an Rx 480 for much saner prices on Newegg.
      Since they don’t have any (3 weeks after launch).

      However, the Newegg affiliates that do have the Rx 480 in stock aren’t running charities: [url<]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA85V4N59840[/url<] That's not some custom OC'd version either, and $329.99 for an OC'd custom GTX 1060 seems like a better deal than $339 for a stock Rx 480.

      • stefem
      • 3 years ago

      [url<]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125879&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=IGNEFL071916&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL071916-_-EMC-071916-Index-_-DesktopGraphicsCards-_-14125879-S0B[/url<]

        • derFunkenstein
        • 3 years ago

        Out of stock. Some lucky few might have nabbed one, but I don’t really care about what’s not available.

          • chuckula
          • 3 years ago

          That’s pretty much exactly the situation with the Rx 480 though, so “sane” AMD prices aren’t that sane when you can’t buy an Rx 480 either.

          Incidentally, in the 3 weeks following the launch of the GTX-1080 and 1070 they were both called paper launches over & over again, but the availability of the Rx 480 hasn’t appeared to be any better than those parts.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 3 years ago

            Sure, they’re all paper launches, but I find your steadfast relativism fascinating. I have to excuse Nvidia’s situation because AMD’s is bad? Or can’t I say all of these are suboptimal? Apparently I’m only allowed to do the former.

            • chuckula
            • 3 years ago

            How many front page TR articles about the lack of availability of the Rx 480?
            Because they sure ran one for the GTX-1080 even though my [b<]custom[/b<] OC'd card that was $50 less than the "overpriced" Founder's Edition sure showed up less than a month after launch. That's my point. [url<]https://techreport.com/news/30242/geforce-gtx-1080-availability-check-it-made-of-unobtanium-sir[/url<]

            • derFunkenstein
            • 3 years ago

            Careful, it sounds like you’re saying TR is in AMD’s pocket like [url=https://techreport.com/discussion/30404/a-quick-look-at-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-graphics-card/?post=991055<]this guy[/url<] claims.

            • chuckula
            • 3 years ago

            I don’t do conspiracy theories.
            But I do most certainly point out facts, and what I said is 100% true and you had to resort to namecalling because you couldn’t actually rebut what I said with facts.

            Now the reason that TR ran the article about the GTX-1080 and not an equivalent about the Rx 480 is that frankly the level of interest in most of the TR readership for the GTX 1080 and 1070 (which incidentally is in very good stock right now) is quite a bit higher than the vaguely disappointing Rx 480. So that’s a legitimate reason to not give the Rx 480 as much airtime since it just isn’t as interesting.

            Having said all that, I bent over backwards to be fair to AMD leading up to the Polaris launch. It all started to unravel with their disingenuous on-stage antics at Computex where they seemed more obsessed with their competitors than with showcasing their own products. The power consumption nonsense didn’t help either, especially when they could have had those issues ironed out at launch.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 3 years ago

            What name did I call you? Count Chuckula is about as far as I go. I just wanted you to understand how very close to the edge of crazy you’ve crawled this morning.

            • cegras
            • 3 years ago

            [quote<]Having said all that, I bent over backwards to be fair to AMD leading up to the Polaris launch.[/quote<] Implying that that is not his natural state.

            • chuckula
            • 3 years ago

            Thanks for the snarky comments that haven’t added anything of substance.

            Say, instead of trying to get me banned for accurately pointing out facts that you don’t like, how about you give us a detailed technical analysis of why the “future proof” Rx 480 with 30% more transistors, 30% higher FLOPs count and more than 30% higher power consumption than the GTX 1060 can’t be bothered to actually beat the GTX 1060 by 30% in DX 12 games. You know, the “fair” games like Aots?

            • derFunkenstein
            • 3 years ago

            What name did I call you, chuckula? You didn’t answer that question, which would help to prove your point that I’m unfair and biased.

            • bjm
            • 3 years ago

            You didn’t call him one. Like I said in a previous thread, he’ll build strawmen to argue with and accuse everyone else of bias, just like he’s doing now to you and TR itself. He’s like a l33t-g4m3r, but for nVidia instead of AMD. Look at how quickly he jumped on the 1060 availability question and insinuated about TR not providing honest coverage.

            And in case anyone is wondering, l33t-g4m3r was banned despite being a gold member.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 3 years ago

            Honestly, that’s what pissed me off. Up until this morning, I actually liked chuckula. He can occasionally grind an axe and it gets old, but more often than not he can be funny and insightful. This morning he basically libeled me. So fuck him.

            • rxc6
            • 3 years ago

            He has been posting crazy stuff in every AMD related post. The mental gymnastics he has to go through induce vertigo for sure. Heck, chuckula has made me reevaluate some of the well-known NVidia fans in the site as really reasonable level-headed people. The funny part is that I am running my first desktop NVidia card (1070) since 2003!! Yes, I have transitioned GeForce 2 -> 9700pro -> X800 AIW -> 4850 -> 6950 (unlocked) -> 7970 ghz -> gtx 1070. I still find most of his posts to be completely irrational and inflammatory.

            • cegras
            • 3 years ago

            I don’t need you to accurately point out facts for me. I’m trying to get you banned because you are always ready to pick a fight, and if I had the patience to trawl through your comments (actually, I documented this a while ago, and many others have), you have a significant difference in tone of voice when discussing NVDA and INTC versus AMD that simply detracts from any discussion. After you get called out, you spend a few days on ‘good behaviour’ and making fungible, highly upvoted posts, before descending into your scheduled madness. In fact, you most likely won’t even respond here – you know you’ve been called out, just like in the DX12 3DMark thread, and you will disappear so people forget. We don’t.

            If my petition to have you gagged for a week around a GPU release got any discussion, and even a trial run, I can only imagine how quiet and reasonable discussion would be around here.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 3 years ago

            While I get where you’re coming from, the fact that there would be fights means that there are more guilty parties than just one.

            • cegras
            • 3 years ago

            Sometimes it’s not so much fights as simple exasperation.

            • DrCR
            • 3 years ago

            Hum, that’s a bit of a stretch, some may say even twisted, but we’re willing to be at least a little flexible.

      • sweatshopking
      • 3 years ago

      Haha they’re joking [url<]http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126113&Tpk=14-126-113[/url<]

        • derFunkenstein
        • 3 years ago

        They are, but the joke is on you.

        • chuckula
        • 3 years ago

        Yeah, but is that Ngreedia jacking up the price or Newegg?

          • rxc6
          • 3 years ago

          Given that Newegg has(had?) a Gigabyte 1060 for $250, I would say this falls on both Asus and NVidia. I am pretty sure Asus didn’t want to sell their “superior” card for less than a FE.

          • sweatshopking
          • 3 years ago

          Prices are similar on other sites for the same cards, so not newegg.

      • Lord.Blue
      • 3 years ago

      This one by Gigabyte is at least in the right ballpark:
      [url<]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125879[/url<] and EVGA already has a mini version with a boost(they also have one at stock): [url<]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487261[/url<] more and more are showing up...but that Asus price...wow!

        • derFunkenstein
        • 3 years ago

        By the time I got the email notification of your comment, the EVGA version went out of stock.

        At those prices, it seems like a no-brainer of a winner for folks with a GTX 760 or 960 or Radeon 380 or 280 (or anything older).

      • jihadjoe
      • 3 years ago

      That’s just NewEgg’s auto-price-gouge feature at work. A few minutes after launch I saw several custom 1060s in stock for $249, but after repeatedly selling out the price slowly came up each time the item was restocked.

      • smilingcrow
      • 3 years ago

      You do realise that the Asus ROG STRIX cards are towards the very top end for air cooled cards and aren’t aimed at ‘normal’ people.
      Not sure if you are ignorant of that fact or a pot stirrer.

      • chuckula
      • 3 years ago

      [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500402<]This price on an in-stock product makes Nvidia look profitable.[/url<]

        • sweatshopking
        • 3 years ago

        Besides stock holders, who cares if NVidia makes money?

      • NeelyCam
      • 3 years ago

      Lol, still went out-of-stock

        • derFunkenstein
        • 3 years ago

        pent-up demand for something in this price range that’s faster than a 3+ year-old GTX 760 in that same price range.

      • f0d
      • 3 years ago

      its a ROG STRIX
      anything with ROG in it is usually in the highest price bracket for the item

      if asus made a ROG RX480 it will also be very expensive compared to others

        • derFunkenstein
        • 3 years ago

        Certainly. And with all the pent up demand it’d probably sell out too. I guess people are too emotionally invested right now. I don’t get the responses lately.

          • f0d
          • 3 years ago

          yeah atm for me its a case of “ok nice cards, lets see these prices settle” or even wait for a price war between them

          atm all the cards are too expensive, the reference cards are not worth it (for most people – some want the blower) and the prices are jacked up

          the time to buy one of these new 16/14nm cards will be end of year or next year imo

            • derFunkenstein
            • 3 years ago

            I think you’ll be able to do it by October (btw I have no evidence for this) for MSRP but I generally agree with you that now is a bad time.

            • f0d
            • 3 years ago

            im not even sure if MSRP is a good price for both the amd and nvidia cards – im sure (but still guessing obviously) by next year when vega comes out everything will get a price drop and that will be the time to buy

            maybe im so jaded on the prices because i have a 290 and nothing appeals to me – even MSRP prices

            • derFunkenstein
            • 3 years ago

            Yeah, that’s a separate issue I guess. Still, MSRP of $250 for roughly about the same the performance of a card that was $500 just a couple weeks ago is quite nice.

            • Ifalna
            • 3 years ago

            My 7870 will have to hold on for a little longer because I am unwilling to pay these absurd prices due to product scarcity.

            • Cyco-Dude
            • 3 years ago

            the 1060 was supposed to retail for $250, and you can get several cards at that price point. the 480, on the other hand, is selling well over it’s $240 suggested retail price.

    • DPete27
    • 3 years ago

    Sounds like the performance gap narrows going from 1080p to 1440p. Likely due to lower memory bandwidth on the GTX1060.

      • Krogoth
      • 3 years ago

      Yep, that 192-bit memory bus is a bottleneck when you scale-up resolution and AA.

      1060 is meant to be a 2Megapixel gaming card at heart and that 192-bit memory bus and 6GiB of VRAM is still sufficient for that.

        • DoomGuy64
        • 3 years ago

        That and less shaders. IMO, the 1060 is just another one of Nvidia’s cards that is spec’d right on the edge where it does good initially, but quickly obsoletes down the road as newer games come out. It just doesn’t have the horsepower to stay relevant.

        On another note, I recently had a discussion about how Nvidia fanboys consistently buy inferior midrange products at higher prices, then deny that they’re making decisions based on fanboyism. IMO, the 1060 founders edition seems to be yet another perfect example of this. You’re clearly getting less for the money, so it’s not an objective purchase. Better off to just own it and admit objectivity was never in the equation, because it’s much worse explaining the mental gymnastics.

          • chuckula
          • 3 years ago

          Oh the usual.

          Please explain how — using DX12 — the GTX-1060 has frame time numbers in AoTs that are arguably superior to the R9 Fury. You know, the HBM-equipped card that has noticeably stronger shader performance than the GTX-1070 and of course has the magical-mystical “async” that Nvidia will never ever be able to copy.

          [url<]http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_1060_fcat_frametime_analysis_review,8.html[/url<] Go ahead, spin away about how "future proof" the AMD cards are.

            • DoomGuy64
            • 3 years ago

            Irrelevant, and proves my point to a T. Thanks for the perfect example of fanboy mental gymnastics at work.

            • chuckula
            • 3 years ago

            What, DX12 doesn’t count all of the sudden? Is AoTs suddenly part of your Ngreedia conspiracy that must be spearheaded by Raj himself?

            You know, the whole point of this magical “future proofing” that you constantly slobber about is to look at how an older (less than a year old here) product performs.

            If any of the crap that you spew were true, then the R9 Fury should probably be trading blows and showing clear signs of beating the GTX-1080 across the board — not merely showing too much frame time variation when compared to a GTX-1060 that’s clearly targeted to a lower performance class. You had your fun with magical pony world of “OMG DX12!” but the bubble burst and it turns out that reality has other ideas.

            • DoomGuy64
            • 3 years ago

            WTF are you smoking? The Fury has nothing to do with my point, other than proving what a raving lunatic you are.
            [quote=”hardocp”<]Stay clear of the Founders Edition as the value compared to the RX 480 is not there at 1080p,[/quote<] My point is how Nvidia fanboys lie about their objectivity to justify paying higher prices for inferior midrange cards. Exactly the behavior I'm seeing right now. Just admit that you're a fanboy, and go away. Ninja edit @ Waco to not bump the trolls: Lol, are you Count Cuckula's sock puppet or what? Figured you'd show up eventually, as I wasn't particularly baiting him. Chucky was just a bonus because he bites at anything. Hell, he argues with himself if you don't give him something to reply to. :p Also, lol at the tag team gold subscription. As if people can't see what you're doing. Stuff like this is why we can't take voting serious, because it's a p2w joke. Throw a couple gold account shills together, and the numbers lose all credibility. Cheap and easy marketing, ftw. [quote<]Nobody is talking about FE cards being a good deal.[/quote<] That's not my point. My point is that you are deliberately disregarding competitive AMD products, pretending you aren't doing it, or like Chucky coming up with ridiculous Rube Goldberg excuses to justify shilling for inferior price/perf products. Example: [quote<]So here's my question then, a 970 GTX or 1060 GTX to replace a 670GTX ?[/quote<] So, why isn't the 480 included? No offense to the OP here, because the OP isn't claiming "impartiality" like some other posters. The truth is, Nvidia fanboys just have the worst tunnel vision when it comes to choosing video cards, and instead of admitting the bias, we get good ol chuck-stain coming up with whatever ridiculous mousetrap of an excuse to justify taking the hit. It's nuts. AMD "fans" don't do that. At least not to the extent Chucky does it. [url<]http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/07/19/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1060_founders_edition_review/4#.V45q7I6XPi8[/url<] The 480 is 32% faster in Doom, and cost less than a 1060. Going with a 1060 after knowing all that, means you are buying a card based purely on brand preference. Fine with me, as long as you admit that's why you're doing it, and aren't trolling everyone else who disagrees based on actual perf/$. To be completely clear, I don't care if you are pro-nvidia or pro-amd. It just pisses me off when you lie about it, and make ridiculous excuses to cover for inferior price/perf products. /Rant

            • Waco
            • 3 years ago

            Nobody is talking about FE cards being a good deal. You consistently imply that they are though. Why?

        • jihadjoe
        • 3 years ago

        If you go by the ratios it seems like that shouldn’t be the case, though.

        GTX1060 has exactly 50% of the shaders, ROPS and TUs of the GTX1080, but 60% of the bandwidth.

        vs the GTX1070, the 1060 has 66% shaders, ROPS and TUs, but 75% of the bandwidth.

        The 1060 actually has a better bandwidth to compute ratio compared to either of its big brothers.

    • ColeLT1
    • 3 years ago

    Co-worker got the $249 Gigabyte one on newegg 20 minutes ago!
    [url<]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125879[/url<]

      • chuckula
      • 3 years ago

      That punk! He bought the last one!

        • ColeLT1
        • 3 years ago

        It sold out and is back again, they are playing games with our emotions!

        Edit: Gone again. They must have found some in the back lol.

          • nanoflower
          • 3 years ago

          Yeah, I don’t understand what Newegg is doing with their listing. When they keep adding stock every 30 minutes or so you know that’s not stock that just arrived at the warehouse. So they have a bunch of cards but are only adding them in small amounts, letting them sell out and then adding in a new batch of cards after a bit.

            • cygnus1
            • 3 years ago

            Or they just don’t want to potentially have to dedicate a lot warehouse space for them so they’re adding as many to their inventory as come in whatever lot size they can order until it sells out, then adding another chunk the same size so that they don’t end up with a lot of sitting inventory in case it doesn’t sell well for whatever reason. Or they might also be limiting based on order processing times. Maybe every other time they add a new batch to inventory, it’s a day longer processing time for those cards. I’m sure their loading docks have a limit on what will fit there and they don’t only sell the latest video cards you know…

            Just seems like a lot more possible business reason explanations that aren’t ‘let’s screw with the minds of our customers’…

            • nanoflower
            • 3 years ago

            The things you describe would make sense if they didn’t restock until the next day but what people have been describing with the Pascal rollout is 1) GPUs avail for sale, 2) out of stock, 3) 30 minutes later GPUs avail for sale.. then repeat all day long. That sounds like Newegg is creating an illusion of short supply or that they don’t want to really sell out in just a few minutes and then have to wait for days for new stock to arrive.

            • ColeLT1
            • 3 years ago

            I still like newegg, but not as much as I used to. I had it out with my rep when they sold z170 boards, then a few weeks later dropped Skylake chips, but only if you ordered with a board. I was told I had to return my board just to buy a board-chip combo (ended up just selling the board locally).

            I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt and maybe they are un-crating batches as they sell out, but as I write that sentence I don’t believe it. I have been a customer of theirs since 2004 (when I got my Radeon 9600XT), and these “games” send me to amazon at times.

            • ImSpartacus
            • 3 years ago

            They might literally be processing a shipment into their distribution center. I wouldn’t be surprised if they break pallets down and store the cards individually (so as to make it easier to fill individual orders).

        • JustAnEngineer
        • 3 years ago

        [quote=”Chuck”<] He bought the [s<]last[/s<] one! [/quote<] FTFY.

    • torquer
    • 3 years ago

    Woot! Launch day info!

    Honestly, and I can only speak for myself, I prefer a launch day mini review followed by more exhaustive testing rather than a weeks or months long wait (GTX 1070 review?) for anything at all.

    Good on you for getting this out.

      • DPete27
      • 3 years ago

      I don’t know about you, but I’ve already developed my impressions of the GTX 1070. I don’t think a TR review is going to impact that in the slightest or offer any new information that isn’t already on the web from other reviewers. At this point in time, they’re better off putting that behind them and focusing on staying up to date with current product launches.

        • torquer
        • 3 years ago

        True, but that’s rather indicative of the problem isn’t it?

        Ultimately no lives are on the line here but if TR is going to remain relevant it’ll have to do a better job with this stuff. News aggregation is just not enough content to sustain it, and it will be a slippery slope as reduced readership leads to reduced revenue and relevancy which leads to reduced availability of review units, etc etc

        • stefem
        • 3 years ago

        Good idea, then the 1070 will be a ghost missing from any chart until the end of his days, it will make comparison a lot simpler…. or are you suggesting to integrate results from other source maybe?

          • DPete27
          • 3 years ago

          I hadn’t considered that. Perhaps instead of a full fledged review including pages about architecture, features and whatnot, just do the benchmark testing alongside another review. TR has done [url=https://techreport.com/review/29061/nvidia-geforce-gtx-950-graphics-card-reviewed<]combined reviews before.[/url<]

    • chuckula
    • 3 years ago

    I’ll say the same thing that I did about the Rx 480: If you already own a GTX-970/980 or R9-390/390X, then this isn’t the card for you.

    On top of that, both the Rx 480 and GTX 1060 seem to suffer from less than stellar reference designs.

    However, it is very nice to see the possibility of custom GTX 1060 parts launching sooner rather than later. A 1060 in a mini form factor is actually a pretty interesting card and all of the in-depth power draw reviews have shown that the 120 watt number is quite real.

      • BoilerGamer
      • 3 years ago

      Custom 1060 are already out in the wild and prices are good

      [url<]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125879&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=IGNEFL071916&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL071916-_-EMC-071916-Index-_-DesktopGraphicsCards-_-14125879-S0B[/url<] a $250 Gigabyte dual fan 1060 on Newegg. AMD need to hurry up with those Custom fan 8GB 480 or 4GB 480 avaliablity to combat this. They had a 3 week headstart, but the 1080p GPU market dominated by 970 for the last 2 years is now in Nvidia's favor once more.

      • jihadjoe
      • 3 years ago

      MSI’s 1060 Gaming X (MSRP $289) is looking really good! OC’d to over 2100MHz on air, which elevated its performance to right at the heels of a 980Ti.

      [url<]https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1060_Gaming_X/27.html[/url<] AFAIK custom cards should be available right from launch day, which makes the choice of buying an FE card rather dubious.

        • chuckula
        • 3 years ago

        Yeah, at “stock” clocks the Rx 480 appears to have a lead in DX12 games, but not a huge one.

        Considering how much bigger the Rx 480 is compared to a GP 106 Pascal, it ought to have that lead.

        However, I’m interested to see what the overclocking capabilities can do for the GP 106 parts even in DX12 titls.

      • rogue426
      • 3 years ago

      So here’s my question then, a 970 GTX or 1060 GTX to replace a 670GTX ?
      I play GW2 and that’s as demanding as my gaming days are nowadays on a 1900×1200 monitor.

        • chuckula
        • 3 years ago

        I’d look at it this way: If you can wait for the initial feeding frenzy to die down then a $250 GTX 1060 is a better overall product and isn’t costing you an arm and a leg. However, if you want something quick and can get a good deal, then go for the GTX 970.

        • JustAnEngineer
        • 3 years ago

        What happened to your 2560×1600 monitor, Rogue? The larger monitor and additional pixels make Guild Wars 2 more enjoyable for me. If you want to invest in upgrades that noticeably improve the GW2 experience, get the fastest CPU that you can find (Core i7-6700K), plenty of fast DDR4 and an SSD. I did not see a huge change in GW2 performance going from a Radeon R9-290 to a GeForce GTX980Ti last year.

          • rogue426
          • 3 years ago

          In a box somewhere. I really have no desire to build a new system now, the Ivy I3 and Sandy I5 I’m currently using are suiting me just fine.

            • JustAnEngineer
            • 3 years ago

            When you and 150 friends are all whomping on the Svanir Shaman 15 minutes into the new Tyrian day, the low frame rates seem to be affected by CPU more than GPU. There are far too many high-polygon character models and weapon and spell post-processed effects on the screen at one time.

            In more typical environments with just a couple dozen characters and critters on the screen at once, the graphics card becomes the limiting factor.

            It’s surprising how few benchmarks Google turned up.
            [url<]http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/guild-wars-2-performance-benchmark,3268-7.html[/url<] [url<]http://www.notebookcheck.net/Guild-Wars-2-Benchmarked.81604.0.html[/url<] [url<]http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/58501-guild-wars-2-release-client-benchmark/[/url<]

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