Shuttle’s XPC SN95G5 mini-barebones system

Manufacturer Shuttle
Model SN95G5
Price (street) $326
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WITH CUBES for every processor package since Socket 370, it was only a matter of time before Shuttle whipped up an XPC for AMD’s 939-pin Athlon 64 processors. Sure enough, Shuttle has released the XPC SN95G5 for Socket 939. The SN95G5 surrounds a motherboard based on NVIDIA’s nForce3 Ultra chipset with a carefully massaged variation of Shuttle’s venerable G-series chassis. Sounds like a recipe for XPC perfection, doesn’t it?

Unfortunately, perfection is inherently fickle. And so are we. While the SN95G5 comes close to perfection—perhaps closer than any other XPC—a couple of unsightly blemishes taint the cube’s otherwise considerable appeal. Join me as I explore what makes the SN95G5 so sweet, but also what ultimately leaves a bitter aftertaste.

The specs
As always, let’s kick things off with a look at the SN95G5’s spec sheet. Anyone who can spot the first chink in the cube’s armor gets a gold star.

CPU support Socket 939-based Athlon 64 processors
Chipset NVIDIA nForce3 Ultra
North bridge NVIDIA nForce3 Ultra
South bridge NVIDIA nForce3 Ultra
Interconnect NA
Expansion slots 1 32-bit/33MHz
1 AGP 4X/8X (1.5V only)
Memory 2 184-pin DIMM sockets
Maximum of 2GB of DDR266/333/400 SDRAM
Storage I/O Floppy disk
2 channels ATA/133
2 channels Serial ATA 150 via nForce3 Ultra with RAID 0,1 support
Audio 6-channel audio via nForce3 Ultra integrated audio and ALC655 codec
Ports 1 PS/2 keyboard
1 PS/2 mouse
1 serial
4
USB 2.0 with headers for 2 more
2 Firewire via VT6307
1 RJ45 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet via Marvel 88E8001

1 analog front out
1 analog bass/center out
1 analog rear out
1 analog headphone out
1 analog mic in
1 analog line in
2 digital S/PDIF outputs (TOS-Link and Coaxial)
1 digital S/PDIF input (TOS-Link)

BIOS Phoenix AwardBIOS
Bus speeds CPU: 200-280MHz in 1MHz increments
AGP: 66-100MHz in 1MHz increments
Bus dividers CPU:HT: 1:1, 1:2, 1:3, 1:4, 1:5
Voltages CPU: 0.8-1.7V in 0.025V increments
DDR: auto, 2.7-2.9V in 0.1V increments
AGP: auto, 1.6-1.8V in 0.1V increments
Chipset: auto, 1.7-1.9V in 0.1V increments
Monitoring Voltage, fan status, and temperature monitoring
Fan speed control System and PSU

The SN95G5 packs NVIDIA’s nForce3 Ultra chipset. Apart from a 1GHz HyperTransport link, the nForce3 Ultra offers an identical feature set to the nForce3 250Gb chipset we reviewed back in April. The nForce3 Ultra’s more notable features include an AGP/PCI lock, Serial ATA RAID, an integrated Gigabit MAC, and hardware-optimized firewall software.

If only the SN95G5 actually took advantage of all those features. While it uses the SATA RAID and AGP/PCI lock, the cube bypasses the nForce3 Ultra’s integrated GigE controller in favor of PCI-based Marvell Gigabit chip. The Marvell controller is slower than NVIDIA’s integrated solution, and NVIDIA’s firewall software requires the nForce3’s GigE controller, so you don’t get that either. I don’t know why Shuttle is snubbing the nForce3 Ultra’s GigE, but it’s a bad move. They should know better.

Apart from the inexplicable Ethernet spec, the SN95G5 has everything you’ll need, including plenty of USB ports, Firewire, and six-channel audio. Keep the audio fresh in your mind; I have a bone to pick with Shuttle on that front, too. More on that in a moment.


The most attractive XPC yet?

Outside the box
We’ve seen a lot of Shuttle’s G-series chassis over the years, so I won’t belabor the obvious. As we take a photo tour of the SN95G5, I’ll point out the cube’s most important features, and probably make a few smart-ass remarks.


Ports and bays hidden from view

Despite being based on the older G-series chassis, the SN95G5’s exterior is all new. Everything about the updated skin is subtle, including muted hard drive activity and power LEDs, Shuttle’s name embossed on the side panel, and hinged doors to stealth the cube’s drive bays and front port cluster.


Open sesame!

Opening the SN95G5 front doors reveals an array of audio and expansion ports and an external 3.5″ drive bay that’s ripe for a memory card reader. Shuttle has integrated card readers into previous XPCs, most notable the G4 series, but card readers are sold separately for the SN95G5.


The 5.25″ drive bay door’s as slick as can be

In addition to hiding the cube’s 3.5″ drive bay behind a stealthy door, the SN95G5 also masks its 5.25″ drive bay. It’s taken Shuttle what seems like forever to release cubes with stealthed drive bays, so I couldn’t be happier. The spring-loaded drive bay door swings up and down as an optical drive tray opens and closes, and best of all, the external eject button even works when the optical drive tray is out. The drive bay door won’t work properly with slot-loading drives, though.


Baby got back

Around the back the SN95G5 packs the usual port cluster and exhaust grills for the power supply and ICE cooling system. Although it’s unmarked, there’s also a CMOS reset button off to the right of the port cluster. There’s room for a parallel port, too, but Shuttle doesn’t include one. The SN95G5 does serve up both TOS-Link and Coaxial digital S/PDIF outputs, though.

Opening ‘er up
What lurks beneath the SN95G5’s demure exterior?


A little crowded, but it’s a cube, not a Tardis

With its outer skin removed, the SN95G5’s internals look a little crowded. Fortunately, the cube’s drive cage, which houses external 5.25″ and 3.5″ drive bays in addition to an internal 3.5″ bay, pops out easily.


From the left…

With the drive cage removed, the SN95G5’s internals are easily accessible. Like all G-series cubes, the AGP slot is mounted along the outside edge of the motherboard, precluding the use of double-wide graphics cards. The cube’s bright yellow CMOS reset jumper is also relatively close to the edge of the board, making it easy to access without completely disassembling the system.


And the right

From the right side of the cube, you can see the cube’s easily accessible DIMM slots and neatly wound and sheathed power cables. Shuttle specs the SN95G5 with a 240W power supply that should be able to handle just about anything you can cram into the cube.

Time to pop out the motherboard for closer inspection.


The cube’s FN95 motherboard, naked

Since Shuttle has taken to carefully routing cables, motherboard layout doesn’t matter much for XPC systems. I have to admit that I’m not too crazy about the Serial ATA connectors being so close to the CPU socket, though.

Shuttle goes with an interesting cooling solution for the motherboard’s nForce3 Ultra chipset. The cooler blows from side to side across the board, taking advantage of venting on the SN95G5’s side panels.


ICE cooling: now with four pins instead of three

The SN95G5 uses the same ICE cooling system as Shuttle’s cubes of old. The design has been tweaked over the years, and this latest iteration includes rubber grommets at each screw mounting point to dampen vibrations. The fan also has a BTX-style four pin power connector.

The BIOS
The SN95G5’s hardware looks pretty good, but can the cube’s BIOS hold up its end of the bargain?

Yes, and then some. While the BIOS’s memory tweaking options aren’t as expansive as some of the Socket 939 ATX boards we’ve reviewed recently, the most common timings are there.

Users can take the cube’s system bus up to 280MHz with a locked AGP/PCI bus. The BIOS also yields HyperTransport and processor multipliers, although the processor multipliers are only available in 1x rather than 0.5x steps.

To keep juice flowing to overclocked components, the BIOS serves up plenty of voltage tweaking options. CPU voltages top out at 1.7V, but for a little cube like the SN95G5, extreme overclocking probably isn’t in the cards.

Perhaps the BIOS’s most useful options are its fan speed controls. Users can dictate the behavior of the cube’s system/processor and power supply fans, making them ramp linearly with temperature increases or oscillate between two fan speed levels.

One may also define the temperature threshold for linear fan speed ramping, which is how I’d recommend the cube be configured. However, the BIOS doesn’t provide fan failure or temperature-based shutdown or alarm conditions. For a cube that depends largely on one cooling fan, a little protection would be good for peace of mind. In addition to providing a host of BIOS tweaking options, the SN95G5 is also compatible with NVIDIA’s Windows-based system utility software.

The system utility lets users monitor system variables, manipulate memory and AGP bus speeds, and tweak select memory timings from within Windows. Control over the HyperTransport and processor multipliers is missing, so most overclocking will still have to be done from within the BIOS.

Our testing methods
All tests were run three times, and their results were averaged, using the following test systems.

Processor Athlon 64 3500+ 2.2GHz
Front-side bus HT 16-bit/1GHz downstream
HT 16-bit/1GHz upstream
Motherboard Abit AV8 Asus A8V Deluxe Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP-939 Shuttle FN95
BIOS revision Version 12 1006 F3 s00g
North bridge VIA K8T800 Pro NVIDIA nForce3 Ultra
South bridge VIA VT8237
Chipset drivers Hyperion 4.53 ForceWare 4.27
Memory size 1GB (2 DIMMs)
Memory type OCZ PC3200 EL Platinum Rev 2 DDR SDRAM at 400MHz
CAS latency 2
Cycle time 5
RAS to CAS delay 2
RAS precharge 2
Hard drives Western Digital Raptor WD360GD 37GB SATA
Maxtor DiamondMax Plus D740X 40GB ATA/133
Audio VT8237/ALC658 VT8237/ALC850 nForce3 Ultra/ALC850 nForce3 Ultra/ALC658
Graphics ATI Radeon 9600 XT
Graphics driver CATALYST 4.8
OS Microsoft Windows XP Professional
OS updates Service Pack 2, DirectX 9.0c

Today we’re comparing the SN95G5’s performance against a handful of Socket 939 ATX motherboards to see if the cube can keep up.

Thanks to OCZ for providing us with memory for our testing. If you’re looking to tweak out your system to the max and maybe overclock it a little, OCZ’s RAM is definitely worth considering.

We used the following versions of our test applications:

The test systems’ Windows desktop was set at 1280×1024 in 32-bit color at a 75Hz screen refresh rate. Vertical refresh sync (vsync) was disabled for all tests. Most of the 3D gaming tests used the Medium detail image quality settings, with the exception that the resolution was set to 640×480 in 32-bit color.

All the tests and methods we employed are publicly available and reproducible. If you have questions about our methods, hit our forums to talk with us about them.

Memory performance

The SN95G5’s memory bandwidth and latency are very competitive. The common Athlon 64 on-chip memory controller keeps scores pretty close, though.

Office productivity

The SN95G5 ties for the lead in the Business Winstone and ekes out a slim victory in the Multimedia Content Creation test.

Gaming

With wins in each of our gaming tests, the SN95G5 looks like an exquisite LAN party platform.

Cinebench rendering

The cube continues to perform well in Cinebench…

Sphinx speech recognition

And it leads the field in Sphinx, albeit by a hair.

Audio performance

The SN95G5 has lower CPU utilization than the rest of the field in our DirectSound audio performance tests, but to get the cube to support DirectSound 3D at all, you have to download Realtek’s ALC658 codec drivers yourself. The drivers aren’t packaged with the cube, nor are they offered for download on Shuttle’s web site. In fact, Shuttle doesn’t seem aware that the drivers are even needed for DirectSound 3D support.

If you don’t download Realtek’s drivers on your own, you’ll still get sound through all six output channels thanks to the audio component of NVIDIA’s ForceWare chipset drivers. Game support for DirectSound 3D and EAX will be missing, though.

Audio quality
For RightMark’s audio quality tests, I used a Terratec DMX 6fire 24/96 for recording. Analog output ports were used on all systems. To keep things simple, I’ve translated RightMark’s word-based quality scale to numbers. Higher scores reflect better audio quality, and the scale tops out at 6, which corresponds to an “Excellent” rating in RightMark.

The SN95G5’s audio output quality is competitive with the rest of the field. It doesn’t sound great, but for integrated audio, it’s not bad, either. With only one PCI slot to spare, you’ll want to think carefully about popping in a discrete sound card. Fortunately, the cube’s on-board DAC can easily be bypassed by using one of the two available S/PDIF digital audio outputs.

ATA performance
ATA performance was tested with a Maxtor 740X-6L ATA/133 hard drive using HD Tach 3.01’s 8MB zone setting.

The SN95G5 is right in the thick of things in our ATA performance tests. Keep in mind that the low burst speed scores are likely a result of our hard drive’s 2MB cache. Also, HD Tach’s CPU utilization tests have a margin of error of +/- 2%.

Serial ATA performance
Moving to Serial ATA, we tested performance with a Western Digital Raptor WD360GD SATA hard drive. Again, we used HD Tach 3.01’s 8MB zone test.

The SN95G5 continues to perform well in our Serial ATA controller tests, taking top honors in the burst speed and CPU utilization.

USB performance
Our USB transfer speed tests were conducted with a USB 2.0/Firewire external hard drive enclosure connected to a 7200RPM Maxtor 740X-6L hard drive. We tested with HD Tach 3.01’s 8MB zone setting.

While not as speedy as the A8V Deluxe when it comes to read speeds, the SN95G5’s USB performance is pretty good overall.

Firewire performance
Our Firewire transfer speed tests were conducted with the same external enclosure and hard drive as our USB transfer speed tests.

The cube’s Firewire performance is even better. The SN95G5 comes out ahead in the read and write speed tests with incredibly low CPU utilization.

Ethernet performance
We evaluated Ethernet performance using the NTttcp tool from the Microsoft’s Windows DDK. The docs say this program “provides the customer with a multi-threaded, asynchronous performance benchmark for measuring achievable data transfer rate”.

We used the following command line options on the server machine:

ntttcps -m 4,0,192.168.1.25 -a

..and the same basic thing on each of our test systems acting as clients:

ntttcpr -m 4,0,192.168.1.25 -a

Our server was a Windows XP Pro system based on Chaintech’s Zenith 9CJS motherboard with a Pentium 4 2.4GHz (800MHz front-side bus, Hyper-Threading enabled) and CSA-attached Gigabit Ethernet. A crossover CAT6 cable was used to connect the server to each system.

I’ve seen NVIDIA’s nForce3 Gigabit Ethernet controller push over 860MBps in NTttcp, so it’s especially disappointing to see the SN95G5’s performance with the Marvell chip. 742MBps is nothing to sneeze at, but with a better GigE controller sitting in the nForce3 Ultra chipset just waiting to be used, I can’t help but scratch my head in disbelief. Update 6/13/2005 — We recently discovered that the ntttcp CPU utilization results included in this review were incorrect. The CPU utilization results have been removed, but they didn’t factor prominently into our overall conclusion, so that remains unchanged. A full explanation can be found here.

Overclocking
For our overclocking tests, I swapped our OCZ PC3200 2-2-2-5 memory out of the SN95G5 in favor of some of the OCZ’s PC4400 sticks, which are rated for 2.5-4-4-8 timings at 550MHz. These DIMMs nicely remove memory speed as a possible overclocking bottleneck. The PC4400 sticks carry higher latencies that could hinder performance at stock speeds, though. I’ve provided scores for the SN95G5 system running at stock speeds with 2-2-2-5 timings, at stock speeds with 2.5-4-4-8 timings, and at overclocked speeds with 2.5-4-4-8 timings.

I was able to push the SN95G5’s system bus up to an impressive 255MHz without sacrificing system stability. I used processor and HyperTransport multipliers of 9x and 4x, respectively, to keep the CPU and HT link from running beyond their limits. As is always the case with overclocking, your mileage may vary.

Although our low-latency memory yields comparable performance at stock system bus speeds, a 25% system bus overclock does wonders for the performance of our 2.5-4-4-8 PC4400 in Sphinx. Doom 3 is a different story, though. Whatever’s holding back in-game performance has little to do with the cube’s memory bus.

Conclusions
Shuttle has been refining its G-series XPC chassis for years, and with the SN95G5, they’ve come close to perfecting it. With a classy new exterior, stealthed drive bays and front panel ports, blistering performance, and a smarter implementation of the classic ICE cooler, the SN95G5 is a fantastic addition to the XPC line.

The cube’s not perfect, though. What’s maddening is that its flaws easily could have been avoided. For starters, Shuttle could have used the nForce3 Ultra’s integrated Gigabit Ethernet controller instead of farming out GigE to a slower Marvell PCI chip. There’s more to the GigE issue than just performance, too. Because the SN95G5 doesn’t tap the nForce3 Ultra’s Gigabit MAC, users won’t be able to take advantage of NVIDIA’s excellent (and free) firewall software.

Short of a new motherboard, there’s not much Shuttle can do to fix the SN95G5’s Gigabit Ethernet shortcomings. They can, however, fix the cube’s lack of DirectSound 3D support out of the box. Updated driver CDs and the addition of Realtek’s ALC658 driver to the SN95G5 driver download page should be enough on that front, but Shuttle should have gotten it right from the start.

These blemishes don’t make for a bad product, but they do prevent the SN95G5 from realizing its full potential. It could have been the perfect Socket 939 cube, but instead, the SN95G5 has to settle for being pretty good.

Comments closed
    • indeego
    • 17 years ago

    Nvidia has newer version of forceware. Amongst the claims is improved IDE performance and audio performanceg{<.<}g §[<http://www.nvidia.com/object/nforce_udp_winxp_5.10<]§

    • raymin
    • 17 years ago

    WHAT ABOUT THE PRICE!???

    Look, I’m just as much a fan of these miniature boxes as everyone else, but speaking as a drooling admirer, the price is ridiculous! It surprises me that this is never mentioned as a criticism when Shuttle’s SFFs are reviewed. $330 on Newegg! That’s a lot of moola plunk down before even the CPU and RAM are factored in.

    That said, I think the reviewer’s complaints are very valid. The only reason I’d want to use the nForce3U is the dualGigE and onboard Firewall. Plus what about us Geforce6800Ultra owners?!

    I think these oversights are the consequence of a manufacturer’s arrogance, and only underscore the need for reviewers to maintain a healthy sense of cynicism when evaluating even the products they like.

    • graywulf2002
    • 17 years ago

    What I always wonder is….
    why the hell do they include that mini fan for the power supply?

    40mm fans tend to get noisy real fast, and I never understood the need for that fan in the first place.
    If they have heat problems in the power supply, they should use the big fan used for cooling the CPU to also cool the power supply.

    The whole system (I mean heatpipe, powersupply, cooling) is proprietary in itself, so why don’t they kick the silly fan and do the cooling over one big fan?

    What I would really like to see would be a SFF with one (!!) big 120mm fan in the back that provides cooling for everything. For all I care, the fan can even be mounted on the outside of the case, protecting the cables.

    This would make for a really quiet SFF and would prove an innovative way of getting the thermal things in hand.

    • kayen
    • 17 years ago

    am I missing something ? why are all the network speeds listed as MBps ?? should’nt it be Mbps ??

    • flip-mode
    • 17 years ago

    cmos reset button on back is SWEET

    LOVE the stealth drive bay covers, if shuttle isn’t going to do this they should at least produce their own drives and offer them discretely.

    SATA location is interesting, but since there’s no fan whirring around the cpu socket, I don’t mind them there.

    y[

      • Dissonance
      • 17 years ago

      Unfortunately, there’s really no comparable SFF. At least nothing that does Socket 939.

      As for the Gigabyte board, check our review of it: §[<https://techreport.com/reviews/2004q3/gigabyte-ga-k8nsnxp-939/index.x?pg=1.<]§ Basically, they cripped the nForce3 Ultra GigE with a 10/100 PHY chip, creating an artificial bottleneck that didn't need to be there.

      • flip-mode
      • 17 years ago

      y[

        • Chryx
        • 17 years ago

        I’ve got a Gigabyte 7NNXP here, and I rather like it. (NF2 Ultra400, 10 ATA devices, gigabit + 10/100 onboard, dual bios, four dimm slots)

        they seem to be smoking crack when speccing out their Athlon64 boards tho’

    • indeego
    • 17 years ago

    To the commenters: Lack? give me a break! The network performance isn’t a problem here folks.

    q[<742MBps is nothing to sneeze at,<]q Try getting that from an OEM Broadcom chip, any laptop chip (you never will, the drive's can't handle it,) etc. The gigabit is middle of the road, which is fine for a box this size that also makes other sacrifices. I *[

      • flip-mode
      • 17 years ago

      You have a point, but understand, it’s not just network speed, it’s the omission of the built in firewall. It’s the fact that the full abilities of the chipset aren’t utilized. I think that everyone here is still pretty impressed with the box regardless. As for me, this might just be the box that convinces me to go SFF. In my mind, this is the best SFF I’ve ever seen – looks, performance, and features.

        • indeego
        • 17 years ago

        There isn’t a major Operating system made today that doesn’t include a capable firewallg{<.<}g

          • Dissonance
          • 17 years ago

          I’d grade NVIDIA’s firewall as quite a bit more than just “capable”

          The point isn’t that the Marvell chip is a poor GigE solution, it’s that it’s not as good a GigE solution as the integrated MAC. By using the NVIDIA GigE, Shuttle could have made the SN95G5 better.

    • pez-king
    • 17 years ago

    I’ve been running one of these cubes now for about a month. I have to 100% agree with everything written in thie article. This is one awesome cube aside from the lack of GigE.

    • muyuubyou
    • 17 years ago

    How noisy is this thing?

    • Freon
    • 17 years ago

    Wow, look at the SFF kicking the full size boards’ butts! I’m very impressed. Up to this point it seems like Shuttle has had to sacrifice a few points, but this model clearly holds its own with no caveat.

    It is silly about the GigE, but at the end of the day I think the end user is not really losing out. The transfer speed is moot (how many of us run gig anyway? 1% reading this? Half a point?), and at worse the much lower audio CPU utilization easily makes up for a few extra points of network CPU utilization (at full tilt @ gig speeds mind you).

    Now give me one of these with PCI-E and a cheaper 939 CPU and I’m ready to go.

    • SpotTheCat
    • 17 years ago

    I bet this will get some /. action

    lets see how she fairs

    • Thresher
    • 17 years ago

    Didn’t Gigabyte do the same stupid thing with Gig-E on their nForce3 motherboards?

    Why bother with nForce3 250Gb or 250Ultra if they aren’t going to use the features that set the boards apart from just using the plain jane 250 chipset?

    There has to be something going on. It makes no sense to use an external (and more expensive I would assume) ethernet chip rather than using the one in the bridge chip.

      • Dissonance
      • 17 years ago

      Gigabyte did something arguable stupider.

      They gave you a Marvell PCI chip, but they also used the NVIDIA GigE MAC to give the board dual LAN. Unfortunately, they cheaped out and strapped a 10/100 Fast Ethernet PHY to the NVIDIA MAC, bottlenecking things at 100MBps.

      With Gigabyte’s solution, users still get the NVIDIA firewall. They just get it on a 10/100 connection rather than GigE.

    • flip-mode
    • 17 years ago

    What a bone-headed thing to do. Damage, is it worth contacting Shuttle and asking them if there is some specific reason why they torpedo’d the 250gb’s gig-e? There almost has to be some practical explaination, doesn’t there?

    Other than that, that is the sweetest SFF yet IMO. Beautiful.

      • Damage
      • 17 years ago

      They said some customers had problems with disconnects on some switches with their nForce 3 150 product, so that’s why they decided to go with d different MAC for this product. Thing is, this is a GigE MAC and really a different animal, so I’m not sure I follow the logic entirely. If NVIDIA’s past MACs have given their customers trouble, though, I suppose I can kind of understand the skittishness.

    • ieya
    • 17 years ago

    Possibly more likely is that Shuttle has some sort of agreement with Marvell to use their chips in everything?

    Remember a while ago, when everything ABIT came with a HighPoint IDE controller?

    • sativa
    • 17 years ago

    question: why are there b[

      • indeego
      • 17 years ago

      §[<http://indeego.com/1.jpg<]§ §[<http://indeego.com/2.jpg<]§ Not quite the same model but it's a black shuttle and a black Nutech DVD-Rg{<.<}g I'm a little TR reviewer wannabe. Fat chance. :)

        • Butt Gerbil
        • 17 years ago

        Is the post you’re replying to visible on your LCD? And is that browser Opera?

        You are both totally awesome /[

          • indeego
          • 17 years ago

          And totally bored. Can ya tellg{

        • adisor19
        • 17 years ago

        Dude, i can see my post 😀

        Adi

    • adisor19
    • 17 years ago

    I just don’t get manufacturers that use PCI connected separate chips to provide Gb ethernet. That’s just idiotic.It’s obviously slower, it’s an EXTRA added cost in the production of the board, and it’s senseless. Do they have a surplus of chips just sitting around and they have to get rid of them ??

    WOW

    Adi

      • HiggsBoson
      • 17 years ago

      Well even with the controller in the nVidia chipset they would still need to supply an external PHY if I’m not mistaken. There are probably any number of reasons why they didn’t do it.

      It’s unlikely that they have an excess stock of ethernet chips as these manufacturers probably use some kind of JIT SCM system.

      • sativa
      • 17 years ago

      with all these manu’s doing it, there has to be a damn good reason.

    • indeego
    • 17 years ago

    Thanks for making a few smart ass remarksg{<.<}g

    • Krogoth
    • 17 years ago

    It’s shame about this guy’s inablity to take advanage of Nforce3 Firewall. Despite that shortcoming, that’s one mightly attractive SFF. Just get a X800 PRO with an A64 3500+. You are in business for serious gaming (LAN) performance.

    For those of you who wonder why I chose a X800 PRO is that. The 6800GT may be faster in most games but, it has greater power and thermal requirements. Which is a prenium for a SFF PC. The X800XT vanlia isn’t going to found in an AGP verison and X800XT Phantom edition is nowhere to seen.

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