The Pentium M on the desktop: DFI’s 855GME-MGF

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THE STARS WERE perfectly aligned for this to happen. Since making the move to a new 90nm fabrication process, the Pentium 4 processor has been struggling mightily. Compared to the previous generation, Pentium 4 “Prescott” chips run hotter, consume more power, do less work per clock cycle, and have had a difficult time reaching higher clock speeds that might offset their performance disadvantages.

Their SAT scores are lower, too.

Prescott’s weaknesses have prompted an abrupt change in direction at Intel. Most fundamentally, the company’s faith in one of the corollaries of what used to be called Moore’s Law has apparently been shaken. Ever-higher clock speeds are no longer a given. The 4GHz version of the Pentium 4 was slated to appear before the end of 2004, but Intel axed those plans. The company has instead introduced a new model numbering system that deemphasizes clock speeds and focused its future developments on dual-core versions of its processors.

Meanwhile, silent computing and small form factors are on the rise in desktop systems, as consumers become more aware of PC features beyond raw performance. Against this backdrop, certain corners of the market have fixed their gaze firmly on a tantalizing alternative: the Pentium M processor, optimized to deliver solid performance combined with miserly power consumption, that has seen great success in the mobile market as part of the Centrino platform.

Now comes DFI with exactly what we’ve been asking for: a desktop motherboard for the Pentium M. The DFI 855GME-MGF transcends boundaries by offering Pentium M support in a microATX mobo with an AGP slot and some decent overclocking options. But can the Pentium M really go toe to toe on performance with the Pentium 4 and Athlon 64 when paired up with desktop hard drives and video cards? We’ve gathered up a Pentium M “Dothan” processor and an extensive array of competitors, ranging from an Athlon 64 3200+ at 2GHz to a Pentium 4 at 3.8GHz, in order to find out.

The motherboard
DFI’s ever-so-snappily named 855GME-MGF is an unassuming microATX-sized desktop motherboard with a more or less complete slate of slightly dated options, including AGP, PCI, and PCI-X slots, but no PCI Express. The board itself is wears a handsome black color and sports passive coolers for the north and south bridge chips.


The DFI 855GME-MGF

You can see most of the important bits in the photo there, but you’ll have to squint. Let me drop the specs on you to save you the eyestrain.

CPU support mPGA479M Intel Pentium M/Celeron M processors with 400MHz front-side bus
Form factor microATX
Chipset Intel 855GME
North bridge Intel 855GME MCH
South bridge Intel 6300ESB ICH
Interconnect Intel Accelerated Hub (266MB/sec)
Expansion slots 1 AGP 8X
2 32-bit/33MHz PCI
1 PCI-X
Memory 2 184-pin DIMM sockets
Maximum of 2GB of DDR333 SDRAM
Storage I/O Floppy disk
2 channels ATA/100
2 ports Serial ATA 150 via 6300ESB south bridge with RAID 0,1 support
Audio 6-channel HD audio via 6300ESB integrated audio and Realtek ALC655 codec
Ports 1 PS/2 keyboard
1 PS/2 mouse
1 serial with header for 1 more
1 parallel
1 VGA
4
USB 2.0
1
 IEEE 1394 port via VIA VT6307 Firewire controller
     with header for 1 more
1 RJ45 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet via Realtek 8110S-32

1 line out/front out
1 mic in/center-sub out
1 line in/rear out
1 SPDIF out header (internal)

BIOS Phoenix AwardBIOS
Bus speeds 100-250MHz in 1MHz increments (400-1000MHz quad-pumped)
Bus dividers Locked PCI speeds of 33, 36, 40MHz plus ratio options
Voltages CPU: 0.7V to 1.34V in 0.016V increments
DRAM: No manual control
North bridge:
No manual control
Monitoring Voltage, fan status, and temperature monitoring
Fan speed control No manual control

The mobo is limited somewhat by the Pentium M processor and by Intel’s 855GME chipset, which is now being replaced in newer Centrino laptops by a mobile version of the 915 chipset with support for PCI Express, DDR2 memory, HD Audio, and a 533MHz front-side bus. The 855GME’s front-side bus officially tops out at 400MHz, and its single channel of DDR memory won’t reach past 333MHz without overclocking—not exactly the stuff of legend. The motherboard is pretty well appointed, though, with a Gigabit Ethernet chip and six-channel audio (although both are based on relatively inexpensive Realtek chips).

Overclocking the bejeezus out of the Pentium M
Fortunately, DFI has given the 855GME-MGF a handful of key overclocking options, including adjustments for the front-side bus speed (purportedly up to 1GHz, although the practical limits seem to be much lower than that) and the CPU multiplier. Yes, thanks to the Enhanced SpeedStep clock throttling mechanism, retail Pentium M processors come with unlocked lower multipliers. This fact interlocks nicely with the DFI mobo’s support for a 533MHz front-side bus and its clock lock for the AGP and PCI busses.

In testing, I was able to get my retail Pentium M 755 CPU, whose stock speed is 2GHz, running stable all day long at 2.4GHz on a 533MHz bus. In fact, the system was wholly stable on the first try, with very little drama. The CPU darn near ran at 2.53GHz, as well. I could get it to boot into Windows and run deep into 3DMark05 before crashing, but I never could achieve 100% stability at 2.53GHz. I suspect I might have had more success if the DFI board could push the CPU voltage one or two steps past its 1.34V limits. The DFI board also lacks voltage adjustments for system memory and the north bridge, so it’s not an ideal overclocker like the boards in DFI’s LANParty line.

In part due to the RAM voltage limitations, I decided to keep the DIMM speed at a 4:3 ratio to the PCI/AGP clock, yielding a (roughly) 178MHz memory clock, or 356MHz once you take DDR memory’s clock-doubling mojo into account. With more juice to the RAM and more relaxed timings, the memory might have tolerated a 5:3 ratio and its corresponding 221MHz clock speed. Without extra juice, the system wouldn’t POST with the RAM at 221MHz, even with relaxed 2.5-3-3-6 timings.

Nevertheless, the 855GME-MGF overclocked the Pentium M easily and efficiently to 2.4GHz while keeping the AGP/PCI bus speeds in spec and allowing me to drive the RAM faster than the chipset’s usual 333MHz limit. That’s pretty smooth, all things considered.


DFI’s Pentium M cooler is just a little bigger than the north bridge cooler

All of this overclocking activity was taking place, by the way, using DFI’s relatively dinky cooler for the Pentium M. This cooler is a custom job included in the box with the motherboard. The cooler screws into a plate that has four screw holes and goes under the motherboard. Unfortunately, this cooler is likely your only option. AOpen makes a competing desktop Pentium M board that will accept larger, more capable Socket 478-style coolers, but there’s not enough clearance around the CPU socket on the DFI board for such things. As it stands, DFI’s cooler has a low enough profile to fit into many a slimline case for home theater PCs, and the board’s built-in Intel graphics might allow one to get away without a video card, so long as the drab combination of minimal 3D acceleration and a VGA output is acceptable.

Of course, things get more interesting when we fill up that AGP slot with a fast graphics card and compare the Pentium M to some desktop processors, which is what we’re about to do.

 

Dothan exposed
Before we dive into the test results, let’s have a quick review of what makes the Pentium M unique. The quick-and-dirty line on the Pentium M is that it’s a Pentium III core mated to a Pentium 4 bus, and that’s not entirely inaccurate. However, the Pentium M is much more than just that.

Yes, it is based on the Pentium III, or more properly, the P6 core that started out in the Pentium Pro processor, which evolved into the Pentium II and then Pentium III. And the Pentium M does use essentially the same bus protocol as the Pentium 4, quad-pumped and everything. But the Pentium M has been extensively modified for better performance, higher clock speeds, and lower power consumption. In fact, the Pentium M’s main pipeline is somewhat longer than the 10 stages in the original P6 core, although Intel is coy on exactly how many stages are involved. The number is probably closer to the 12 stages in the Athlon 64 than to the 20 stages in the original Pentium 4 Netburst architecture or the 31 stages in the P4 Prescott. Other factors aside, longer pipelines generally mean higher clock speeds and lower clock-for-clock performance. As we’ll see, the Pentium M hits clock speeds similar to the Athlon 64 and delivers comparable performance at those speeds.

The Pentium M we’re playing with here is actually the second generation of Pentium M, code-named Dothan. (Our review of the original Pentium M “Banias” core is here.) Dothan is manufactured on Intel’s 90nm fab process, and it packs a healthy 2MB of L2 cache RAM onboard (along with the corresponding logic for prefetching data into the cache.) That’s in addition to a 64KB L1 cache evenly subdivided between data and instruction caches. Thanks to the die shrink, Dothan’s 140 million transistors are packed into a die that’s only 84mm2, nearly the same size as the original Pentium M Banias core, which had only 1MB of L2 cache. Compare that, if you dare, to the P4 Prescott’s 122mm2 die size, or the massive 192mm2 die of the 130nm Athlon 64. The 90nm Athlon 64 “Winchester” also has an 84mm2 die, but that chip has only 512K of L2 cache. I don’t have the exact numbers, but I believe 90nm Opterons with 1MB of L2 are expected to be about 100mm2.

The impressive thing about the Pentium M is that the entire processor core was designed, massaged, and tweaked in order to cut down on the amount of power it required. Intel’s Israel-based design team used extensive statistical analysis in order to guide its decisions in making tradeoffs between performance and power consumption, and the Pentium M CPU is the result of that process. That’s not to say that the Pentium M is full of compromises that harm performance. To the contrary, some of the very best types of power optimizations are performance enhancements, because getting work done in fewer CPU cycles can save power. Also, the Pentium M team didn’t lean too aggressively toward saving power because the CPU is only a small part of overall system power consumption in a laptop, where things like the hard drive and LCD display can dominate the battery life equation. For these reasons, the Pentium M may very well make good sense as a desktop processor, even when raw performance is one of the user’s primary concerns.

Intel has produced some very informative papers on the Pentium M’s design, and I can’t go into too much depth about such things here, but I would encourage you to read them if you would like more info. There’s one on power savings and another on microarchitecture and performance. I will give you the highlights, though, of some of the changes made to increase the Pentium M’s performance and power efficiency. Among them:

  • Dynamic clock gating — Dynamic clock gating is, essentially, the ability to turn off unused portions of a chip and turn them back on as needed. Doing so requires extra logic inside the chip. Too much additional logic can diminsh the power-saving effects of clock gating, so the Pentium M’s clock gating is fine-grained, but not overly so. The Pentium M’s designers used some clever techniques in order to keep unneeded transistors inactive. For instance, the register files in the register renaming units are partitioned by data type, so that only the data width necessary is accessed. If the data being processed is in 32-bit integer form, there’s no need for 80-bit floating-point-sized registers to be active.
  • Lower leakage transistors — In some cases, like in the L2 cache of the original Banias Pentium M, Intel used lower leakage transistors that required less power at the expense of speed. Doing so might increase cache latencies or limit peak clock speeds, but it can also save lots of power.
  • A new branch prediction unit — The Pentium M’s branch prediction unit is based on the Pentium 4’s, but it’s significantly enhanced. Accurate branch prediction is crucial for performance in any modern CPU, but it’s especially crucial for power savings, because branch mispredictions amount to wasted energy. The Pentium M team added a loop detector to the branch prediction unit in order to enhance handling of program loops with lots of iterations, and they added an indirect branch predictor that better handles data-dependent indirect branches, as often found in object-oriented code. The branch prediction unit was further tweaked in the Dothan core, as well.
  • Micro-ops fusion — Like most modern x86 processors, the P6 is a RISC-like core coupled to an x86 instruction decoder. This decoder translates x86 instructions into micro-ops, or instructions that execute on the RISC-like core. Sometimes, x86 instructions decode into multiple micro-ops and execute in a way that’s not entirely efficient. For instance, the store instruction becomes two micro-ops, one that calculates the address and another that writes data to that address. The Pentium M’s decoder fuses these into one micro-op and keeps them largely united as they’re processed. Only at the execution level, when necessary, are they decoupled.

    Intel claims micro-ops fusion cuts micro-ops by over 10% in Banias, leading to performance gains of 5% for integer code and 9% for floating-point. The additional logic for micro-ops fusion does consume more power, but Intel says the additional performance offsets this effect—an instruction sequence requires less energy to complete. The Dothan core apparently fuses even more instructions, although we don’t yet have any details on which or how many.

  • A dedicated stack engine — This logic, situated near the instruction decoders, manages the updating of the hardware stack pointer register, again cutting down on the number of micro-ops that must be executed. Intel says this more efficient internal housekeeping cuts micro-ops by 5%.
  • Enhanced SpeedStep — The last item on my list may be the most familiar to many of us. Intel’s Enhanced SpeedStep varies both clock speeds and CPU core voltages in order to conserve power when the CPU isn’t entirely busy. Enhanced SpeedStep has multiple “gears” and can step speeds up very quickly on demand in order to keep system performance snappy.

Like I said, those are just the highlights. In some ways, the Pentium M’s design philosophy is the polar opposite of the Netburst architecture in the Pentium 4, which dedicates lots and lots of transistors to enabling higher clock speeds without much regard for power consumption. In others, the Pentium M is very much a modern Intel processor that shares features with the Netburst designs. Those features include SSE2 instructions, by the way, but not SSE3.

 

Something that is not CPU architecture
My head hurts. Let’s look at some pictures.


The Pentium M 755 processor

Here’s a picture of our Dothan-based Pentium M 755 CPU. The flip-chip package leaves the chip exposed, with no metal cap to protect it. That gives us a nice view of the relatively small chip, which is situated on an organic package the same size as the one used for Socket 478 versions of the Pentium 4.


Socket 479 is on the left

This is a side-by-side shot of the underbellies of a Socket 479 Pentium M and a Socket 478 Pentium 4. As you can see, they’re vastly similar, with only a pin or two of difference.


The DFI mobo’s Socket 479

The socket on the DFI motherboard uses what looks like a standard laptop-style retention mechanism for the CPU. Instead of a pushing down a lever, one has to turn a screw in order to lock the Pentium M into place.


DFI’s Pentium M cooler (left) and Intel’s Pentium 4 cooler (right)

Finally, here’s a quick visual comparison of Pentium M and Pentium 4 coolers. DFI’s Pentium M cooler looks to be an all-aluminum affair that’s not very heavy, while the Pentium 4 cooler is a part-copper affair with a more complex design and quite a bit more weight.

 

Test notes
I should say up front that this isn’t an entirely fair fight. This DFI board may be a desktop unit, but it doesn’t have dual-channel memory or even DDR400 support. The rest of the systems are using dual-channel configs with RAM running at at least 400MHz. This discrepancy should be remedied by the next wave of Pentium M boards based on the new Alviso chipset.

That said, you’ll want to watch several comparisons closely. The Athlon 64 3200+ runs at 2GHz, just like the stock-clocked Pentium M. The Pentium M has quite a bit more cache than the 512K on the Athlon 64 3200+, but the Athlon 64 has the advantage of a much better memory subsystem. That comparison should be interesting. Similarly, the Athlon 64 4000+ has 1MB of L2 and runs at 2.4GHz, the same speed as our overclocked Pentium M. That should make for a nice matchup on a clock-for-clock basis. Finally, feel free to compare any flavor of Pentium 4 to the overclocked Pentium M. There’s little point in clock-for-clock comparisons between the Pentium M and Pentium 4, because the P4 has that radically long pipeline and is comfortable at much higher clock speeds. The real question, in any of these cases, is absolute performance.

Please note that several of our test CPUs are actually underclocked versions of other products. Specifically, the Pentium 4 model 540 and 550 entries are actually our Pentium 4 560 3.6GHz review sample running at 3.2 and 3.4GHz, respectively. Similarly, the 130nm version of the Athlon 64 3500+ is a down-clocked Athlon 64 3800+, and our Athlon 64 3200+ results were achieved by testing the 90nm Athlon 64 3500+ at 2.0GHz. For most intents and purposes, save perhaps for our power consumption tests, these underclocked processors should perform just like the real deals.

Our testing methods
As ever, we did our best to deliver clean benchmark numbers. Tests were run at least twice, and the results were averaged.

Our test systems were configured like so:

Processor Athlon 64 3200+ 2.0GHz (S939)
Athlon 64 3500+ 2.2GHz (90nm)
Athlon 64 3500+ 2.2GHz (130nm)
Athlon 64 3800+ 2.4GHz
Athlon 64 4000+ 2.4GHz
Athlon 64 FX-55 2.6GHz
Pentium M 755 2.0GHz Pentium M 755 at 2.4GHz Pentium 4 540 3.2GHz
Pentium 4 550 3.4GHz
Pentium 4 560 3.6GHz
Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 3.4GHz
Pentium 4 570J 3.8GHz Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 3.46GHz
System bus 1GHz HyperTransport 400MHz (100MHz quad-pumped) 533MHz (133MHz quad-pumped) 800MHz (200MHz quad-pumped) 800MHz (200MHz quad-pumped) 1066MHz (266MHz quad-pumped)
Motherboard Asus A8V Deluxe DFI 855GME-MGF DFI 855GME-MGF Abit AA8 DuraMax Abit AA8 DuraMax Intel D925XECV2
BIOS revision 1008 beta 1 55GMDC06 55GMDC06 1.4 1.7 CV92510A.86A.0338
North bridge K8T800 Pro 855GME 855GME 925X MCH 925X MCH 925XE MCH
South bridge VT8237 6300ESB ICH 6300ESB ICH ICH6R ICH6R ICH6R
Chipset drivers 4-in-1 v.1.11 beta (9/7/04) INF Update 6.0.1.1002
IAA for RAID 4.5.0.6515
INF Update 6.0.1.1002
IAA for RAID 4.5.0.6515
INF Update 6.0.1.1002
IAA for RAID 4.5.0.6515
INF Update 6.0.1.1002
IAA for RAID 4.5.0.6515
INF Update 6.0.1.1002
IAA for RAID 4.5.0.6515
Memory size 1GB (2 DIMMs) 1GB (2 DIMMs) 1GB (2 DIMMs) 1GB (2 DIMMs) 1GB (2 DIMMs) 1GB (2 DIMMs)
Memory type OCZ PC3200 EL DDR SDRAM at 400MHz OCZ PC3200 EL DDR SDRAM at 333MHz OCZ PC3200 EL DDR SDRAM at 356MHz OCZ PC2 5300 DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz OCZ PC2 5300 DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz OCZ PC2 5300 DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz
CAS latency (CL) 2 2 2 3 3 3
RAS to CAS delay (tRCD) 2 2 2 3 3 3
RAS precharge (tRP) 2 2 2 3 3 3
Cycle time (tRAS) 5 5 5 10 10 10
Hard drive Maxtor MaXLine III 250GB SATA 150
Audio Integrated VT8237/ALC850 with 3.64 drivers Integrated 6300ESB/ALC655 with 5.10.0.5750 drivers Integrated 6300ESB/ALC655 with 5.10.0.5750 drivers Integrated ICH6R/ALC880 with 5.10.0.5022 drivers Integrated ICH6R/ALC880 with 5.10.0.5022 drivers Integrated ICH6R/ALC880 with 5.10.0.5032 drivers
InGraphics GeForce 6800 GT 256MB AGP with ForceWare 66.81 drivers GeForce 6800 GT 256MB AGP with ForceWare 66.81 drivers GeForce 6800 GT 256MB AGP with ForceWare 66.81 drivers GeForce 6800 GT 256MB PCI-E with ForceWare 66.81 drivers GeForce 6800 GT 256MB PCI-E with ForceWare 66.81 drivers GeForce 6800 GT 256MB PCI-E with ForceWare 66.81 drivers
OS Microsoft Windows XP Professional
OS updates Service Pack 2, DirectX 9.0c

All tests on the Pentium 4 systems were run with Hyper-Threading enabled.

Thanks to OCZ for providing us with memory for our testing. If you’re looking to tweak out your system to the max and maybe overclock it a little, OCZ’s RAM is definitely worth considering.

Also, all of our test systems were powered by OCZ PowerStream power supply units. The PowerStream was one of our Editor’s Choice winners in our latest PSU round-up.

The test systems’ Windows desktops were set at 1152×864 in 32-bit color at an 85Hz screen refresh rate. Vertical refresh sync (vsync) was disabled for all tests.

We used the following versions of our test applications:

The tests and methods we employ are generally publicly available and reproducible. If you have questions about our methods, hit our forums to talk with us about them.

 

Memory performance
We generally kick off our tests results with synthetic memory performance. These tests aren’t necessarily an indicator of real-world performance, but they are tied to performance, especially in certain types of applications. Let’s see how the Pentium M, with its slower front-side bus and memory subsystem, measures up here.

The memory bandwidth picture isn’t pretty, as one might expect. However, Linpack shows us why the Pentium M may not mind so much.

What you’re seeing here is the effect of Dothan’s massive L2 cache, which is as big as the L3 cache on the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition. Even when we compute data matrices up to 2MB in size, the Pentium M barely slows down, because it barely has to go to main memory. I should point out that Linpack is also a measure of floating point math performance, and the Dothan’s peak performance at 2.4GHz matches that of the Athlon 64, which is good company to keep. The Dothan’s sustained performance across large matrix sizes, though, is even better. The Athlon 64 tends to slow down as it transitions from its 64KB L1 data cache into its L2 cache, as you can see on the graph.

Interesting stuff. Even though the Pentium M’s front-side bus is half the speed of the Pentium 4’s and its memory is running slower, its memory access latencies are similar. The same is true for the Pentium M at 2.4GHz on a 533MHz bus versus the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition on a 1066MHz bus. The Athlon 64’s integrated memory controller still can’t be touched, though.

 
Memory performance (continued)
Here’s a slightly indulgent look at memory access latencies in more detail. If the following intimidates you, just skip to the next page with the gaming results. Remember, though, to flip back here if the boss is looking over your shoulder.

I’ve colored the data series below according to how they correspond to different parts of the memory subsystem. Yellow is L1 cache, light orange is L2 cache, and orange is main memory. The red series, if present, represents L3 cache. Of course, caches sometimes overlap, so the colors are just an interesting visual guide.

The access latency graph on the previous page gave us a small slice of the info above, and it was largely representative. Notice how remarkably similar the numbers are for the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition at 3.46GHz and the Pentium M at 2.4GHz. The Pentium M, however, appears to have lower access latencies to its L2 cache, especially at larger block and step sizes.

 

Doom 3
We’ll begin the real-world tests with Doom 3. We tested performance by playing back a custom-recorded demo that should be fairly representative of most of the single-player gameplay in Doom 3.

Holy poop! The Pentium M blows away the Pentium 4 in Doom 3. At 2GHz, the Pentium M beats the P4 Extreme Edition 3.4GHz and nearly ties the Pentium 4 570J at 3.8GHz. The 2.4GHz Pentium M leaves the P4 in the dust and beats out the Athlon 64 3800+, which also runs at 2.4GHz. Very impressive.

Far Cry
Our Far Cry demo takes place on the Pier level, in one of those massive, open outdoor areas so common in this game. Vegetation is dense, and view distances can be very long.

Far Cry’s results show the Doom 3 scores weren’t a fluke. The Pentium M isn’t quite as stellar here, but it’s awfully darned good.

 

Unreal Tournament 2004
Our UT2004 demo shows yours truly putting the smack down on some bots in an Onslaught game.

The Pentium M at 2.4GHz whups up on the Pentium 4 in UT2004, too.

However, could the picture change during actual gameplay? Some folks from Intel suggested to us that we should consider testing gameplay performance with the FRAPS frame rate capture program instead of relying on an in-game benchmarking function. The suggestion makes some sense, because timedemo playback tools don’t always use every aspect of the game engine, such as physics, A.I., and user input routines.

I tried using FRAPS with a couple of games, including Doom 3 and Rome: Total War, but frame rate caps in those games prevented us from being able to show meaningful performance differences between different processors. UT2004, which is very much a CPU-bound game, was a different story. The results below are the averaged from five different 150-second gaming sessions played on the same Onslaught map as in our timedemo above, ONS-Torlan. I was playing against computer-controlled bots, so UT2004’s A.I. was working overtime.

The in-game results don’t differ too much from what we saw above. The Pentium M’s real-world gaming performance is very solid.

Before we move on, we tried one more thing with UT2004. We tested CPU performance using its software renderer, just to see what would happen.

What happened is that the Pentium M took the rest of the processors to the woodshed. If you happen to have a Centrino laptop with lousy 3D acceleration and you want to play UT2004, the software renderer might be a good option.

 

3DMark05

The Pentium M isn’t as at home with 3DMark05 as it is with current games. This benchmark is intended to simulate future games’ workloads, and in doing so, it’s very bandwidth intensive. With its slower bus and memory, the Pentium M can’t keep up here.

 

WorldBench overall performance
WorldBench uses scripting to step through a series of tasks in common Windows applications. Also like those benchmarks, WorldBench produces an overall score for comparison. More impressively, WorldBench spits out individual results for its component application tests, allowing us to compare performance in each. We’ll look at the overall score, and then we’ll show individual application results alongside the results from some of our own application tests.

The Pentium M is very competitive overall in WorldBench, which is a very good sign. It ties the Pentium 4 570J and Athlon 64 4000+. Only the pricey Athlon 64 FX-55 can surpass it.

Audio editing and encoding

LAME MP3 encoding
We used LAME to encode a 101MB 16-bit, 44KHz audio file into a very high-quality MP3. The exact command-line options we used were:

lame –alt-preset extreme file.wav file.mp3

MusicMatch Jukebox

The Pentium M is a monster in LAME, but not so much in MusicMatch Jukebox. Still, a respectable showing overall.

 

Video encoding and editing

XMPEG DivX video encoding
We used the default settings for the DivX codec to encode a 3000-frame sequence from a DVD-formatted MPEG2 source file.

Windows Media Encoder

Adobe Premiere

VideoWave Movie Creator

Video encoding can be very much bound by memory performance, so I expected the Pentium M to struggle here. Surprisingly, it wound up doing well in a couple of the tests, particularly in Premiere.

 

Image processing

Adobe Photoshop

ACDSee PowerPack

picCOLOR
We thank Dr. Reinert Muller with the FIBUS Institute for pointing us toward his picCOLOR benchmark. This image analysis and processing tool is partially multithreaded, and it shows us the results of a number of simple image manipulation calculations. We’re using a new build of picCOLOR this time out; it removes the video tests, which are highly dependent on the chipset and video card, from the calculation of the overall score.

Clock for clock, the Pentium M beats absolutely everything in Photoshop, and it performs respectably in the other image processing apps.

 

Multitasking and office applications

MS Office

WorldBench’s MS Office test runs multiple applications simultaneously and switches between them, just as most users tend to do. As a result, the Pentium 4 with Hyper-Threading really shines here, and the Hyper-Threading-deprived Pentium M does not.

Mozilla

For web browsing, the Pentium M is great. So is everything else, though, despite these numbers

Mozilla and Windows Media Encoder

Combine web browsing with video encoding, and the Pentium M remains competitive, even without Hyper-Threading.

 

Other applications

Sphinx speech recognition
Ricky Houghton first brought us the Sphinx benchmark through his association with speech recognition efforts at Carnegie Mellon University. Sphinx is a high-quality speech recognition routine. We use two different versions, built with two different compilers, in an attempt to ensure we’re getting the best possible performance.

Sphinx is extremely sensitive to memory subsystem performance, and so the Pentium M stumbles here.

WinZip

The Pentium M comes back into contention in WinZip compression.

Nero

The Nero test is all about the disk controller, and the 6300ESB south bridge’s controller is comparable to our Athlon 64 system’s, while the Pentium 4’s ICH6 I/O controller is quite a bit quicker.

 

Cinebench 2003
Cinebench is based on Maxon’s Cinema 4D modeling, rendering, and animation app. This revision of Cinebench measures performance in a number of ways, including 3D rendering, software shading, and OpenGL shading with and without hardware acceleration. Cinema 4D’s renderer is multithreaded, so it takes advantage of Hyper-Threading, as you can see in the results.

The Cinema 4D renderer doesn’t take well to the Pentium M. Then again, the Pentium M is just a little slower clock for clock than the Athlon 64 here.

The 2.4GHz Pentium M remains very competitive in Cinebench’s shading tests.

 

3ds max
We have used 3ds max in the past for CPU testing, but most of those tests have consisted of rendering only. WorldBench’s 3ds max tests replicate an entire modeling and animation work session, stressing the graphics card as well as the CPU and the rest of the system.

The combo of a 2.4GHz clock speed and 533MHz does wonders for the Pentium M in this mock 3D modeling session. The 2GHz chip on the 400MHz bus is quite a bit slower, but still not too far off pace.

POV-Ray
POV-Ray is the granddaddy of PC ray-tracing renderers, and it’s not multithreaded in the least, because it’s designed to be a cross-platform application. POV-Ray also relies heavily on x87 FPU instructions to do its work, and it contains only minor SSE optimizations.

This FPU torture test shows that the Pentium M’s x87 FPU is quite a bit more potent than the Pentium 4’s. At matching clock speeds, the Athlon 64’s very decent FPU is just a little bit faster.

 

Power consumption
There are some caveats about the voltage settings of the various processors in our power consumption test that I’ve explained in detail before. They still apply here. I should add an additional caveat: none of the processors are using a clock-throttling mechanism like SpeedStep or Cool’n’Quiet in the tests below. Unfortunately, the DFI motherboard that we tested doesn’t support SpeedStep. That means the Pentium M could be quite a bit more miserly at idle than you see here, as could the Athlon 64 with Cool’n’Quiet.

We measured the power consumption of our entire test systems, except for the monitor, at the wall outlet using a Watts Up PRO watt meter. The test rigs were all equipped with OCZ PowerStream 470W power supply units. The idle results were measured at the Windows desktop, and we used Cinebench’s rendering test to load up the CPUs. For P4s, we used the multithreaded version of the test to take advantage of Hyper-Threading.

Wow. True to its reputation, the Pentium M practically sips power, even when overclocked. The Pentium 4 pulls well over twice the juice under load. Even the 90nm Athlon 64 at 2GHz isn’t close.

 
Conclusions
DFI’s nifty little motherboard enables the Pentium M to come to the desktop, and for that reason, it’s a very compelling product. I would like to see some more overclocking options and support for SpeedStep, and I’d really love to get my hands on a desktop Pentium M board based on the new Alviso chipset. But I’m not gonna nitpick too much, because getting a Pentium M to the desktop on these terms is way better than not getting there at all. DFI is among the first to bust the market segmentation barrier, and they deserve mad props for it.

The performance that this motherboard enables speaks for itself, I’d say. As a desktop processor, the Pentium M fares very well. The stock Pentium M 755 at 2GHz rivals the lower speed grades of the Athlon 64 and Pentium 4 fairly consistently. Overclocked to 2.4GHz on a 533MHz bus, though, the Pentium M gets downright scary, shadowing the performance of the Athlon 64 4000+ through many of our tests, including games. The Pentium 4, even in its most extreme editions, often can’t keep up. Games and similar apps with lots of “branchy” code—and perhaps quite a bit of x87 floating-point math—apparently befuddle the Pentium 4. The Pentium M, on the other hand, slices through them with ease.

This processor’s low power requirements and lesser heat production aren’t insignificant, either. Not when it performs like this. Quiet computing is here to stay, small form factor systems are still growing in popularity, and home theater PCs are all the rage. Meanwhile, building a high-end enthusiast PC has become something more of a chore than in the past because of the need to attend very carefully to power and cooling requirements. The numbers and types of power connectors in a typical new system are growing, and the new BTX boxes weigh more than an English Mastiff. The 855GME-MGF’s single, simple ATX power connector and tiny CPU cooler are rare, welcome relief from such trends.

Unfortunately, that relief doesn’t come cheap. The 855GME-MGF is currently selling for about $239 at online merchants, which is an awful lot to ask for a microATX mobo with a modest set of mid-range components on it. Even worse, our Pentium M 755 cost us $435 when we bought it last month, and prices don’t seem to have budged since then. By comparison, the Athlon 64 3500+ costs roughly $279 right now, and the Pentium 4 is running about the same. The Pentium M 755 only becomes a good deal if it will overclock to 2.4GHz and challenge the higher end desktop CPUs in performance, but overclocking is never a sure thing.

For the right application, though, a system based on this mobo and a Pentium M processor would certainly be appealing. Let’s hope DFI enjoys enough success with this board that they put a new version, with PCI Express and dual-channel memory, on the fast track. I’d like to see a DFI LANParty board for the Pentium M with a full suite of overclocking options. And bring on the Pentium M small form factor boxes. Market segmentation be damned! The mobile desktop revolution has begun. 

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    • Krogoth
    • 16 years ago

    If the execs and marketing drones didn’t have their heads up deep in P4’s “where the sun don’t shine”. They would try to release that newer P-M’s chipset which supports: PCI-e and DDR-II and make a desktop line of the Dothans.

    The Deskop flavor would be clocked aggressively to 2.4Ghz and 2.6Ghz stock. In effect Intel would have a direct competitor to the high-end of the A64 line. The desktop flavor of the Dothan will replaced the hopelessly, overpriced and underpowered P4EE line. You have to bare in mind that the higher-end A64s are aimed towards power users and ethusiasts who have the $$$$ and the higher-end A64 aren’t exactly cheap. While Intel keeps the cheaper to manufacture and more profitible Prescotts for the lower-end to safisy the OEM buliders (Dell, HP and Compenq etc). AMD might do some price cuts for their higher-end A64s in response to the siffer conpenition that the desktop Dothan would bring. The 3700+ and 4000+ might be a bit more affordible for the ethuisast who don’t have all the $$$$$.

    • Squibby
    • 16 years ago

    I agree with TR’s decision to o/c the Dothan and not anything else. Since the i915 is coming soon with its 533 MHz FSB, the o/c gives a good approximation to future performance. Since the i915 is just now being used in laptops, it’ll be a while before a motherboard manufacturer releases a desktop version paired with Dothan, but at least now we know what to expect.

    In that regard, I think it’s a fair representation to show an overclocked Dothan compared to stock A64s and P4s–especially since it is clearly stated that it is overclocked. It’s not as if they’re trying to pull a fast one over everyone. They’re merely showing what the CPU is able to do (provided it has an up-to-date chipset paired with it).

    Further, the purpose of this article was not to show how well a Dothan overclocks compared to other CPUs. The focus was on the Pentium M architecture, so your attention should not be on the fact that it was overclocked, but what it can do at a given CPU/FSB clock.

    • Zenith
    • 16 years ago

    hmmm – Volume. There isn’t a big enough demand or plants dedicated to the board, and little competition. That will change, my friend. 😀

    This looks like THE silent system to have, hands down. Though AMD’s Cool’n’Quiet will keep your machine nearly silent at down times, full load the processor will still put out a ton more heat globally, even if you use super quiet fans (And maybe a XP120 *Wink*).

    Who votes for a more open board, a P4 compatible heatsink receptical for a nice XP120 + 120mm silent fan, or Zalman silent?! LET’S HEAR A HELL YEAH!

    Too bad that PCI-X slot doesn’t fall into silent plans, big SCSI arrays are NOT quiet! 😀

    • Zenith
    • 16 years ago

    Has no one thought to examine the performance of the PCI-X slot? :\

    • MadManOriginal
    • 16 years ago

    There seem to be some misconceptions and oversimplifications about what the P-M architicture is exactly. Excellent and very indepth articles about Pentium architecture:
    Pentium to PIII-
    §[<http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/pentium-1.ars<]§ P4, P-M, Prescott- §[<http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/pentium-2.ars<]§ To risk my own simplification though :) I'll say that P-M is what Intel should have made and probably wanted to make at the end of the PIII era but manufacturing technology at the time wouldn't allow it.

      • bhtooefr
      • 16 years ago

      Manufacturing technology and management should be distinguished from each other.

    • Freon
    • 16 years ago

    Wow look at that thing fly in Doom 3 and UT2004.

    And how poor it does in 3DMark2005, yet another example of 3DMark2005 being completely useless…

      • continuum
      • 16 years ago

      I wouldn’t go that far. The Pentium M on the 855 chipset is /[

      • blitzy
      • 16 years ago

      how do you know that it isn’t right? maybe memory bandwidth will become more of a factor in future games……

    • bhtooefr
    • 16 years ago

    /[

      • Damage
      • 16 years ago

      yep…. fixed, thx

    • Dposcorp
    • 16 years ago

    Once again, another fine review. Thanks Scott.

    As for the CPU itself, while it performs great, all things being equal, I would still buy a comparable A64 Platform before I bought this.

    Now, if they can put the x86-64 instructions, Hyperhtreading (I dont mean dual core), SSE3, and make it all work great on a 915/925 platform, then I might switch back.

    Those are 3-4 of the things that I think could cause me and a bunch of other AMD people to go back to Intel. Again, this is if prices per platform are close to being the same, as we all know that Intel likes to charge more for their brand name.

      • bhtooefr
      • 16 years ago

      x86-64: I think that’s planned.

      HyperThreading: It’d be slower to use it than not on a short-pipeline architecture, which is why Intel’s not going to do it, and why AMD hasn’t.

      i915(GM – read: Alviso): That’s been done, and AOpen has announced a board, the i915GM-FHS.

        • wierdo
        • 16 years ago

        I think AMD didn’t do it because they didn’t have the resources to dedicate to it considering more important priorities on the table.

        I think Hyperthreading would benefit quite well from a wider CPU design, but that’s just imho.

    • stmok
    • 16 years ago

    It does reasonably well compared to its desktop competitors…Its just the cost to set one up, sucks. (Which I’m sure alot of folks are thinking).

    • leor
    • 16 years ago

    wow, now i see what you were talking about when u said if i got a pentium 4 in a laptop i’d be sorry . . .

    just wish these suckas were available with pci-e, or hope they will be before i buy!

      • Damage
      • 16 years ago

      They are now in laptops.

        • leor
        • 16 years ago

        really? i haven’t seen one paired with an x800 or a 6800 yet, but as soon as i do i will be all over it.

          • hmmm
          • 16 years ago

          Well it happened like a week ago.

            • leor
            • 16 years ago

            well i don’t see any on dell, sony, hp, alienware, voodoopc, ibm, falcon northwest, or gateway’s site.

            maybe you want to back that up with a link, hmmm?

    • MadManOriginal
    • 16 years ago

    Intel’s move to ‘part numbers’ instead of CPU frequency as a way to name CPUs may be a hedging of their bet – not only for the sake of dual-core (slower actual speed with an equivalent name-number) but also for Pentium M transition to the mainstream.

    • chrisconnolly
    • 16 years ago

    Just a quick tidbit from a fellow Pentium-M / DFI platform owner.

    There’s a great program to allow for on the fly clock speed and voltage adjustment in XP, which is more configurable compared to XP’s SpeedStep settings. Works great.

    §[<http://cpu.rightmark.org/products/rmclock.shtml<]§ Great article! - Chris / GamePC

      • blitzy
      • 16 years ago

      While you’re stopping by I’ll just say a quick thanks for your Gigabyte GA-K8NF-9 review, it was very thorough and informative. I think it’s still the only review on that board floating around atm

      I actually ordered one of those boards here yesterday (in New Zealand), I hope it turns out to be as good as your one was! 🙂

    • Samlind
    • 16 years ago

    Balanced CPU design vs P4 crap – Intel has finally got it, but now finds itself a year behind AMD, which already has a good balanced design.

    I don’t think enormous cache is the secret, AMD sells chips that perform very well with 512k of cache. I think the secret is balanced design, short pipelines, no millions of transistors given over to hyper threading, no millions of transistors given over to branch prediction. The Prescott has twice the transistor count of the Northwood for no improvment in anything significant. Clearly the design was flawed – it never got to the expected frequencies, never achieved dominance over AMD’s performance and the power consumption, heat and throttling issues are a fiasco.

    Given all that, what can you expect from a dual core P4 based architecture? I expect it will be as bad as it’s lineage.

    The Itanic is sunk also. 64 bits are here to stay, something Pentium M has to catch up on.

    Now I expect Intel pour resources into the Pentium M, which is going to bail out their future. I expect also they will stay the course with a balanced, conservative design, and try to take advantage of their manufacturing prowness.

    I agree the Dothan is no bargain yet – but there’s no reason it couldn’t be in the future. And if Intel needs it to be, it will be.

      • tay
      • 16 years ago

      l[

      • Prototyped
      • 16 years ago

      Two things:

      1. Judging from how much /[

        • MadManOriginal
        • 16 years ago

        If it remains in the mobile-only niche it won’t matter what competition there is. The only way for it to come to mainstream desktop prices is – surprise – for it to be positioned as a mainstream desktop product.

          • TO11MTM
          • 16 years ago

          Not necessarily. Remember that before the Athlon, i.e. when AMD was not considered by most to be a ‘performance’ competitor, Intel could price as they wished. Once it was introduced, however, Intel could only get away with charging ‘that much more.’

          If the Turion’s a competitive product, expect another price war. It probably won’t be as extreme as the desktop sort was, but it should still drive prices down.

    • Illissius
    • 16 years ago

    This is to everyone who’s saying Intel should move their entire line over to the Pentium M…
    Let’s compare Northwood and Prescott. Northwood, at 130nm, draws less power / produces less heat than Prescott at 90nm. Northwood outperforms Prescott clock-for-clock. Northwood scales nearly as well at 130nm as Prescott does at 90nm (indeed, I’m not sure if they’d bumped the voltage a bit and stuck Prescott-sized coolers on it, that it wouldn’t be capable of 3.8GHz speeds). Why the hell is it, then, that Intel even made Prescott in the first place, instead of just shrinking Northwood straight to 90nm? The answer is: x86-64. That is the only thing that Prescott has* and Northwood doesn’t. I can only imagine (actually, I can’t) the hacks and kludges they needed to hack AMD’s 64-bit design into Netburst, if this is the result…
    That, then, is why Intel isn’t moving everything over to the Pentium M just yet. It is also why (asides from price) the A64 is still superior to it, even if they’re damn near equal at 32-bit code and equivalent clockspeeds. I’m sure Intel is working full time on giving the Pentium M 64-bit capability, however… (let’s hope it doesn’t end up completely bastardizing it like it did Northwood).
    Me, I’m waiting for a 3GHz, dual-core Pentium M derivative with x86-64, SSE3, and an integrated, dual-channel 800MHz DDR2 (3?) memory controller. That would the equivalent of what, a 30GHz Northwood Celeron? 😀

    * Yes, it has it, Intel just isn’t enabling it because it likes to make people pay twice for the same processor once Windows X64 comes out. The Xeons based on the same core (Nocona) do have it enabled.

      • mongoosesRawesome
      • 16 years ago

      I don’t believe Prescott was only made for x86-64. I believe that Intel really thought they could pull off the same trick with prescott that they did with northwood – and reach 4 GHz quickly. It was quite a surprise to them that they couldn’t even reach 4 GHz at all. Do you really think they enjoy not being the leader in performance right now?

      I also don’t think it would be too difficult for them to put x86-64 on Pentium M either, or at least not impossible. They certainly could have put it on Northwood and did not need Prescott for x86-64. As it is right now, Intel is making lots of money. The transition to 90nm has been good for the pocketbooks, just not Prescott’s performance.

        • Illissius
        • 16 years ago

        The thing is that they did put x86-64 on Northwood, and /[

          • Xylker
          • 16 years ago

          nit pick- The Prescott core has a 50% longer pipeline than the Northwood. The Prescott is not just NW + AMD64.

            • Lucky Jack Aubrey
            • 16 years ago

            I read somewhere that Northwood is actually more difficult to manufacture than Prescott. Something about a lot of tweaking required to get a good set of useable chips, partciularly at the higher clock speeds. I’ve been trying to find that article, but haven’t come across it yet, so perhaps someone else can confirm this.

    • Nelliesboo
    • 16 years ago

    i got this set up on order with a antec fanless psu for my htpc (thank you tax return)….

    • Ryu Connor
    • 16 years ago

    q[<(I think it's a joke, but thats just experience frying AMDs in the past talking...) <]q Yes, joke. The image on the screen was a spoof. The board was never powered on, the HSF clips aren't attached. They cut a hole in the table and the CPU socket and put a nice little firecracker in there. Looks like M80's and ceramic packaging don't mix, imagine that.

    • MadManOriginal
    • 16 years ago

    ‘mad props to DFI’ on the conclusion page 😮 Less hiphop and rap for you ok Damage?

    • LicketySplit
    • 16 years ago

    Damn…nice chip to say the least…kinda blows the mhz myth all to hell..hello intel:)

    • FireGryphon
    • 16 years ago

    Israeli engineering does it again! The chip and its mobos are rather expensive, so this is clearly for people who need quiet systems and have more money to throw around.

      • bhtooefr
      • 16 years ago

      Basic economics. There was no demand, so there’s no supply, so prices are high, especially now that demand has risen.

      Also, Intel wants to restrict the P-M to the laptop, so they may even be restricting production.

    • Thresher
    • 16 years ago

    What the hell is intel thinking?

    The Pentium-M is clearly the route they should be taking. The performance of this thing is stunning.

      • FireGryphon
      • 16 years ago

      n/t………..

      • packfan_dave
      • 16 years ago

      If they had the 5 GHz P4s they (meaning management at Intel, not engineering) thought they’d have by now, I don’t think the P-M would look quite as nice. Just guessing.

      Still, Intel in 2005 is basically trying to buy time until Conroe (Yonah’s successor, unless it got a new codename while I wasn’t looking), I think. Doing a major push on a desktop chip without x64, SSE3, and some kind of enchanced multithreading support (i.e. hyperthreading or multiple cores) would be a bit embarassing. So as soon as they’ve got everything in one P-M based chip, it gets a desktop push as the Pentium 5.

    • fyo
    • 16 years ago

    The most astonishing score to me seems to be in UT2004 software rendering. Clock for clock, it absolutely demolishes everything, including the Athlon64 chips. The same thing happens in mp3 encoding. In virtually all other respects (save for double precision x87, where the Athlon is untouchable), the P-M performs remarkably close to the Athlon64s in CPU-bound situations.

    What’s the explanation for the anomolous results in these two situations? Is it just the larger cache?

    -fyo

      • Krogoth
      • 16 years ago

      Both excellent engineering and design helps in addition to the larger L2 cache.

        • Chrispy_
        • 16 years ago

        I’d hazard a guess that the crazy high performance in UT and LAME is because these are engines that root back to the days when the Pentium III was king. The unreal engine was designed to run on early incarnations of the MMX architecture and that’s essentially what the Pentium-M seems to be, a trimmed down super lean MMX pipeline with tons and tons of cache to make sure it stays fed properly. As for lame, it depends entirely on the compiler, but I’m guessing that being open source, the smaller less-complex architecture is where the improvements were easiest to make – which is why the Pentium-M benefits most.

        If I had to put an analogy forward, I’d say the the Pentium M was a small light sports car, whist the A64 is a hefty musclecar and the prescott is a train where the clockspeed represents the engine size and the pipeline complexity represents the weight.

          • tfp
          • 16 years ago

          l[

        • fyo
        • 16 years ago

        Fanboy?

        q[

          • IntelMole
          • 16 years ago

          Something to do with micro ops fusion giving that quoted 9% improvement clock for clock???
          -Mole

            • fyo
            • 16 years ago

            Isn’t micro-ops fusion done mainly to save power? (e.g. by reducing the need for complex decoders)

            The instructions are still executed “non-fused”, so the total performance difference shouldn’t be too much – especially with the P6-like core, which isn’t exactly richly endowed with execution resources (unlike the K7-like cores).

            -fyo

          • Krogoth
          • 16 years ago

          The P-M is able to keep up with the A64 clock to clock despite: having far less memory bandwidth, no intergrated memory controller and consuming 60% less power. That’s excellent engineering at work my friend and an awesome design.

          I’m not saying that the A64 sucks, it has it’s own perks: a x86-64 standard part, A64s that run at the same clock speed as P-M are far cheaper and it still has the strongest FPU performance of any x86 part.

          As your claim to think that I’m an Intel fanboy for the record, I have never bought an Intel CPU. They were all AMD CPUs: an Athlon 1.4Ghz, Athlon XP 1800+, Athlon XP 2800+ and a planned Athlon 64 3500+/3700+ for my next system.

            • fyo
            • 16 years ago

            q[

        • bhtooefr
        • 16 years ago

        I think we need some Celeron Ms. Hey, look ma, no cache advantage!

      • IntelMole
      • 16 years ago

      Here’s some guess work.

      The Athlon beat the Pentium 3 in just bout *[<*everything*<]* by about 5-10% when it came out. But also bet it in pure floating point stuff by about 2% or so as well, which was why it was such a turnaround for AMD. To my knowledge, the Pentium M is a highly tuned up and enhanced Pentium 3 mated to a 400MHz bus. That could easily make up that 10% or even more and it's now running at the same clockspeeds as the Athlon 64. The L2 cache must make a large difference to the amount of memory bandwidth needed to sustain such performance, otherwise the Athlon 64 would walk this. But then, I could be smoking something :-D, -Mole

    • Hellsbellboy
    • 16 years ago

    While going thru the review, for some reason Firefox wanted to download some files.. ocz125.x being one of them. Anyone else get this?

      • GodsMadClown
      • 16 years ago

      Yes. I’ve no idea what happened.

      • Samlind
      • 16 years ago

      Yep me too. What was going on?

      • Illissius
      • 16 years ago

      IIRC the ad banners have ‘.x’ extensions, encountered that before somewhere… not sure though.

    • MadManOriginal
    • 16 years ago

    This board and another plus Pentium M Dothan’s have been out for at least a little while. Lostcircuits had an excellent review among others. Why the delay in getting it done here?

    Oh, and it will be great to see a Dothan on the new Centrino platform chipset 🙂 not the current one with a totally outdated feature set.

    • crose
    • 16 years ago

    Why is it that every review I’ve seen of Pentium M only OC the Pentium M and not it’s competition? No overclocked A64, no overclocked P4.. as if they were totally stuck at stock speed.

      • Kurlon
      • 16 years ago

      Because you’re reading Pentium M reviews. You want OC’d A64 reviews, go read A64 reviews.

      You want to see a Dothan wound to the nines…
      §[<http://www.glebeci.ca/users/matt/video/Scene_1_AMD_Duron_Vaporizing_final_divx_lq1.avi<]§ (I think it's a joke, but thats just experience frying AMDs in the past talking...)

        • highlandr
        • 16 years ago

        Holy poop. That was awesome.

          • wierdo
          • 16 years ago

          lol, it’s a fake, they used firecrackers hehe.

            • highlandr
            • 16 years ago

            Still pretty awesome though. A good idea, and its always nice to see computer parts paired with flammables.

        • crose
        • 16 years ago

        Why should I have to read a separate review? IMHO if they (reviewers) are going to compare different CPUs it should be on as equal terms as possible.

          • wierdo
          • 16 years ago

          Pretend the 2.4Ghz numbers are not there and just read the 2.0 Ones 😛

            • SpotTheCat
            • 16 years ago

            lol, exactly. if you don’t like the overclocked numbers, pretend they are not there.

            I think all of the last TR articles I’ve ever read give overclocked numbers for whatever they’re reviewing, but there would be way too many numbers to throw out if they overclocked everything in their comparison

            • crose
            • 16 years ago

            Good suggestion. But have you seen Law & Order when the judge tells the jury to disregard some statement a witness made? How well does that work ? 😉

          • hmmm
          • 16 years ago

          I think he makes a good point. Here we’re comparing an overclocked PM to a stock A64/P4. Odds are, anyone who would o/c the PM would do the same for the other CPUs. So demonstrating in the graphs that a 2.0 GHz PM @ 2.4 GHz competes pretty evenly with a 2.4 GHz A64 @ 2.4 GHz isn’t always terribly helpful.

          The clock comparison is interesting and should be the top priority. But when making a purchase, it is intellectually dishonest to say, “I need 2.4 GHz. I’ll buy this 2.4 GHz A64. Or I could buy this 2.0 GHz PM and overclock it to 2.4 GHz. Then I save money compared to the stock 2.4 GHz A64. What a sweet deal!”

          I think it comes down to how you approach a review. If you just like reading about hardware, then there’s no problem with the current situation. You get all kinds of reference points. If, on the other hand, you look at it as a buyers’ guide, then there is a problem because one product gets the advantage of overclocking while the competition doesn’t. I think a lot of people do look at these as buyers’ guides. Or at the very least are just curious how far they could get with the various products in the review. What kind of performance can I get from a tweaked P4 box? How does that compare to a tweaked A64? A PM?

          That is certainly time-prohibative. I can’t expect you do actually do it, but I think it is at least a reasonable criticism. People shouldn’t dismiss it out of hand without understanding the real argument. I’m all for including OC numbers, but giving OC numbers for only one platform can be misleading about the capabilities of all the platforms.

            • sativa
            • 16 years ago

            they o/ced it to show how well the architecture scaled. now we know how a 2.4ghz dothan performs. if you think those results should be censored because some idiot might make the wrong purchasing decision, then you might as well be that idiot that makes that buying decision.

            • sativa
            • 16 years ago

            they o/ced it to show how well the architecture scaled. now we know how a 2.4ghz dothan performs. if you think those results should be censored because some idiot might make the wrong purchasing decision, then you should point your browser in another direction.

            • Koly
            • 16 years ago

            I agree and I’ll add something I’ve just realized and nobody else seems to notice. In other TR reviews, they run the whole benchmarking suite at stock speeds, only at the end there is a short overclocking section with one or two tests. However, Dothan was benchmarked overclocked through the whole suit, which shows it in a much better light. Imagine all the test was run only at 2.0GHz, P-M would then be consistently near the bottom. Much less impressive. So IMO, either this review should have been done as P-M vs. A64 (vs. P4) overclocking test or it should include only a standard overclocking section at the end. It’s quite misleading as it is now.

            • Kurlon
            • 16 years ago

            As stated earlier, the OC’d Dothan was providing a preview of what the future 915 based Centrino setups will bring to the table.

            If you want to see OC’d Athlons, read an Athlon review. This was a DOTHAN review.

            • Koly
            • 16 years ago

            Here is the latest A64 review:

            §[<http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/athlon64-fx55/index.x?pg=1<]§ All the tests are done at stock speeds when comparing to P4s or older A64s. Overclocking is on page 16, it consists of one test. Conclusions are driven from performance at default speeds. My objection is: why is Dothan overclocked throughout the whole review and it's performance is evaluated using that advantage? And this has nothing to do with the 533MHz FSB version. I can't see anywhere mentioned that the overclocking served that purpose and I am not surprised as it would be nonsense. First of all, there is no 2.4GHz P-M at FSB533, only 2.13GHz. And also, the new platform uses an entirely different chipset with entirely different memory type. How do I know from testing a overclocked 2.4GHz P-M with single channel DDR RAM at 178MHz what will be the performance of a 2.13GHz one with dual channel DDR2 at 533MHz?

            • IntelMole
            • 16 years ago

            Because the entire reason to buy a Pentium M is to get silent performance and overclock as much extra as your board will let you get out of it.

            That ain’t gonna happen with AMD’s 4000+ chips.

            Besides, this review (to me at least) felt like more an indicator of the Pentium M’s capabilities when added to a halfway decent chipset.
            -Mole

            • bhtooefr
            • 16 years ago

            Actually, the x86-Secret BIOS for the DFI board (don’t know if the DFI official BIOS supports it, though) supports FSB533 on the 855GME-MGF (they even tried a 770, and it worked). However, wait for the 852GME-MGF to be available, as it’s chipset actually supports FSB533.

            • cmdr_pain
            • 16 years ago

            Yo.
            You think, that A64 sucks up much power ??
            Read this, or translate it, it`s in german:
            §[<http://www.hardtecs4u.com/reviews/2005/amd_90nm/.<]§ Don`t forget that AMD gives /[

    • dragmor
    • 16 years ago

    What would it take to get you to do power consumptions results for the 90nm A64 3000+ with CnQ enabled?

    • Koly
    • 16 years ago

    Nice review, but I don’t find this chip so impressive. It’s performance is good, power consumption amazing, but the cost is simply terrible. The motherboard should cost way less than $100 for what it offers. The chip is a direct competitor to s.939 3200+ or s.754 3000+. These have about the same performance at stock speeds, power consumption can be roughly 20W higher in the first case, about 40W higher in the latter. Both can be overclocked as easily as Dothan. Give me a 2.0GHz Pentium M for $150-$200 with a board for less than $100 and I am in.

    I am also not at all impressed with the HSF. I suppose it’s running at something like 5000RPM with an annoying wine. The CPU may have whatever power consumption when I can cool an A64 with less noise.

      • Sargent Duck
      • 16 years ago

      Actually Koly, from the other reviews I’ve read about the DFI board, the fan on the heatsink is barely audible, if at all.

      Bring on the Alviso chipset *nudges Damage* when can we have a review of that?

        • bhtooefr
        • 16 years ago

        When AOpen gets their i915GM board out, maybe?

          • continuum
          • 16 years ago

          We wait impatiently… =)

      • hmmm
      • 16 years ago

      There’s absolutely no indication that it is loud. Damage would have noted that as he did with the return of the dustbuster in the 6600GT roundup. And as Sargent Duck rightly pointed out, other reviews of this board (IIRC on gamepc) explicitly note that the cooler is virtually silent.

      Of course it should cost less, but it is a cross-over product with virtually no competition. Give it some time.

      Bring on Alviso!

        • Koly
        • 16 years ago

        From the GamePC review:

        y[

          • Koly
          • 16 years ago

          In fact, serious undervolting will not be possible (from the Game PC review):

          y[

            • hmmm
            • 16 years ago

            §[<http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.cfm?page=5&articleid=620&cid=3<]§ /[http://www.lostcircuits.com/motherboard/dfi_855gme/17.shtml<]§ /[

            • Koly
            • 16 years ago

            Yes, I do think their subjective evaluation is way forgiving. I’ll explain. When I am talking about noise for a HTPC like computer, I am comparing the PC to devices it is supposed to accompany or replace: a TV, Hi-fi, VCR, DVD player etc. If the PC is comparably silent, I’ll be satisfied, if it’s a little louder, it’ll be acceptable.

            It’s all about ambient noise. There is much higher noise acceptable for an office PC, for example. That’s because there’s much higher ambient noise in a busy office than in a living room or bed room. What is the ambient noise in a typical reviewers workplace? With several PCs running and work being done I’d be not surprised if noise levels I found unacceptable might not be even noticed by a professional reviewer.

            This part of your quote is a good example (hothardware review):

            y[<...when we installed an ATi Radeon X800 XT in the graphics slot, the test system was nearly silent.<]y I had the opportunity to try out an Sapphire X800XT for a couple of months and it was by far the loudest part in my PC. It's certainly not extremely loud, many people might even find it quiet, but it's way out of the noise range I explained above.

            • RickB
            • 16 years ago

            I agree, subjective comments like “it’s quiet” mean nearly nothing. That’s why objective measurements should be carried out. In this context, measurements with a SPL meter with test conditions described (as Tech Report often does).

            Of course, to undermine myself a bit, then you have the issue with a reader trying to decide if a number (30 dbA at 6 inches, for example) represents an acceptable amount of noise. The way I personally have handled that is to be aware of how the equipment I’ve purchased rated, then use those numbers to compare to reviewed equipment. For example, if my WD 1200JB was measured at x dbA by Tech Report, then if a Seagate hard drive measures x – 2 dbA then I will know the Seagate will be quiet enough to use in my system.

            -Rick

            • hmmm
            • 16 years ago

            I agree as well. Subjectively statements certainly don’t tell you how loud it is. They can, however, still be useful. If you take them with a grain of salt and drop them to the lowest common conclusion (e.g. “not too loud,” “nearly silent,” etc. would mean it is bearably loud), they can still help espcially when there is near unanimity among all the different people who heard the product. If everyone who has used it thinks it is “quiet enough,” then it probably is. But yeah, objective measurements should be taken as well. (After subjectively impressions have been written down.)

            • hmmm
            • 16 years ago

            I didn’t realize you were talking about an HTPC. Yeah, you’d want something super quiet for that. This probably won’t be as quiet as a well-cooled A64. PMs should be quieter, but DFI needs to not use silly HSFs for that to happen.

            I think Damage pretty well cleared this up in Etc. It isn’t too loud for normal use, but it is louder than a cooling system for a PM should be.

            • Koly
            • 16 years ago

            I agree totally and as you say Damage cleared our issue up in the etc. (Has he reacted to our discussion? I hope so… :o) ) And you are right, I should have been more clear from the beginning. The attractiveness of the P-M for me is primarily in its low power consumption, that means in HTPC and similar low noise applications. I don’t need a super low heat output CPU at work, I need it at home.

          • bhtooefr
          • 16 years ago

          Just don’t OC it, and it’ll work passively.

          Also, it IS an industry-standard heatsink form-factor – it’s a big northbridge heatsink. x86-Secret got even better results using a MicroCool (this was on a pre-release version of the mobo, before the heatsink was even designed), and if you can find a northbridge waterblock, you can watercool.

      • tu2thepoo
      • 16 years ago

      I used an evalutation board a while back that mated a first-gen Pentium M (Banias core, I think?) with an E7501 motherboard (link – §[<http://win-ent.com/MB-06032.htm<]§ ). It had a similarly sized cooler and it was practically silent, especially compared to the power supply fan. The Pentium M's just don't need all that much cooling.

    • crose
    • 16 years ago

    q[< Unfortunately, the DFI motherboard that we tested doesn't support SpeedStep.<]q BOHHH!! BOOOH! Get that &%#!¤ outta here.. *throws beer at DFI*

    • blitzy
    • 16 years ago

    ‘Impressive’ somehow just doesn’t cut it… That thing is a little demon. If it weren’t for price AMD would have some /[

    • blitzy
    • 16 years ago

    ‘miserly power consumption’ eh

    am i the only one who had to look that word up 🙁

    (not that it wasnt obvious that the meaning would be low power consumption.. i just didnt know of the word)

      • hmmm
      • 16 years ago

      Good usage of miserly. Using new, good words is a Good Thing.

        • GodsMadClown
        • 16 years ago

        Bah. Miserly =/ new. Turn off the monitor, dude, and pick up a book

          • blitzy
          • 16 years ago

          I think he probably meant uncommon rather than new…

          • hmmm
          • 16 years ago

          Um, since he didn’t know the word and looked it up, I think that would mean it was new to him. Obviously it has been in the language for a little while. Haven’t you ever said, “Oh, cool new word.” You don’t mean it was some pop-culture icon (like “google” as a verb) added to the lexicon, you mean you just learned something new.

    • Convert
    • 16 years ago

    Holy poop indeed.

    You were talking about all that ocing and I just figured you were using a aftermarket cooler…. You can imagine my surprise when I saw the dfi cooler sitting next to the p4 cooler. I think my k62 heatsink was bigger than the dothans 😮 Scratch that I think my nf2 northbridge cooler is bigger than the dothans.

      • bhtooefr
      • 16 years ago

      Well, this IS a frickin’ northbridge cooler. x86-Secret got even more impressive results on the 755 using a Microcool.

    • Flowboy
    • 16 years ago

    Shouldn’t that be an AGP 6800GT rather than a PCI-E in the table of configs?

      • Damage
      • 16 years ago

      doh!

    • DrDillyBar
    • 16 years ago

    FP! Time to Read it now… 😉

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